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Seminar 23 Oct - Benjamin Mako Hill

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Benjamin Mako Hill has generously agreed to join us for a live chat this Saturday. (This has all been Greg's doing really - but unfortunately he is traveling to China and won't be able to join us, so I am helping out). For those who don't know Mako, here is some background:

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Mako_Hill
  • http://mako.cc/

It would be great to get a show of hands to see how will be able to make it. Please post a reply in the forum (maybe with a specific question you'd like to address) if you are planning to join us. I would be happy to just speak with Mako one-on-one for an hour about open governance, but of course it will be more fun in a small group. Bring questions!

We'll use the P2PU conference call line again: +1 415 763 5901. 

  • 7:59 AM - San Francisco (Saturday morning)
  • 4:59 (16:59) PM - Berlin (Saturday)
  • 11:59 (23:59) PM - Tokyo (Saturday night)

Some topics Greg suggested to Mako:

1) What did you see as the problems in other communities that you were 
trying to avoid with the newly formed Ubuntu project? And how did you attempt to address/avoid those problems?

2) In my first blog post assignment for this course I mentioned how I see much of the transmission of the social norms in the Ubuntu community is done through process (Membership approval, which I am on the America's board for, QA Team, MOTU, etc) but I failed to contrast that with the Ubuntu CoC. How do you see the relation of the CoC to the creation and transmission of social norms within the community?

3) One of the initial articles we read for this class was about a troop of baboons that lost most of their alpha-male figures due to a freak accident. The resulting culture of that baboon troop was much more welcoming and gentle. This persisted even after new males joined the
group due to, it is believe, the fact that the females greeted the new males more openly and sooner than they normally would have. Even though most FLOSS projects have a SABDFL or similar role, what mechanism do you envision could be used to mitigate some of the negative effects of that figure? This should not preclude simply saying "have a nicer alpha-male."

4) What were the lessons you learned from the creation of the founding documents/processes of the Ubuntu community and the subsequent real world testing of those materials? Anything specific you would suggest to individuals working to create a culture of Open Governance in their community, FLOSS project or not?

Chris Wardle's picture
Chris Wardle
Thu, 2010-10-21 17:31

Sorry folks, but I'll be on a train between London and Oxford at that time.

Can we tap the technology to record the discussion and share it as a podcoast?

Thanks in anticipation,
Chris.

Chris Wardle's picture
Chris Wardle
Thu, 2010-10-21 17:32

*podcast

Heather Leson's picture
Heather Leson
Thu, 2010-10-21 18:26

I will be on stage presenting at the Toronto Social Tech conference. A podcast would be amazing.

thanks
heather l

Philipp Schmidt's picture
Philipp Schmidt
Sat, 2010-10-23 12:33

Chris/Heather: Sorry to hear that you'll miss it, but I'll try to record and will post here afterwards. Toronto Social Tech sounds fun ...

Jason Hall's picture
Jason Hall
Mon, 2010-10-25 15:12

I've been somewhat MIA lately, though keeping up with the reading/video. Any success with the recording idea on this call?

Stian Haklev's picture
Stian Haklev
Tue, 2010-11-02 15:10

Was this ever recorded? I am currently in Barcelona for the Drumbeat festival (http://www.drumbeat.org/drumbeat_festival_2010). Are there any other course participants going to Drumbeat, maybe we could have a mini-course meetup? :)

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Philipp Schmidt
Mon, 2010-11-15 11:52

Yes - I had a long talk with Mako and recorded it. It's just one other thing that was delayed by the P2PU, OpenEd, Drumbeat tsunami. Will send it to Mako today to make sure he's ok with all the things he said and share once I hear back from him.

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Philipp Schmidt
Tue, 2010-11-16 14:03

Sorry that this has taken so much longer than expected. Here is the link to a 70 minute audio recording from the conversation with Mako. It's unedited, but there is a lot of very insightful analysis about his work in the Ubuntu and Debian communities. Licensed under CC BY SA.

http://www.archive.org/details/MakoAndPhilippDiscussOpenGovernance