KMD Digital Journalism 2010

Hi, Joi

Just testing the interface

this is awesome

Hi IRC. I might try to listen in via iPhone during fireworks festivities in the U.S. tonight. Not sure how it will work.

hi there

It's 3AM in Dubai right now

Hi Mika

are you at Keio?

hey sean

hey bassel

hey JoiIto

hey seanbonner

JoiIto wow you slept for 3 hours and now you are giving live session

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ao0Qlaixky0odHdYNEpmdWhoWmZmZG5...

that's the project list

bassel - yes. not optimal

good morning everyone

Good evening from U.S. East Coast. Fouth of July fireworks in the neighborhood, plus the big fireworks show about 9:30. Will aim to listen in on mobile.

OK, I guess we'll get started since it's time

thanks to everyone in the US sharing their 4th of July evening with us

is UStream

Waiting to hear back from Andrew (on Skype)

good morning.

i have no sound on ustream... or is it only me?

yes I don't have sound

JoiIto there is no sound coming from you

OK

no, it's not only me. dan is also saying that on the chat...

we'll restart

thanks!

there is sound now

great!

if anyone wants to talk about their project, let me know your skype name]

now sound is ok!

thaks yushi

sorry about the sound...

Hi everybody

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ao0Qlaixky0odHdYNEpmdWhoWmZmZG5...

if anyone wants to talk about their project, let me know your skype name. thx

Hello?

hi andrew

hi!

Apologies for running late

hey andrew gimme a sec

hi andrew, nice to meet you.

please stand by on Skype. Joi will let you know when we are ready for you on Skype.

roger that

Hi lena, how r you?

hey everyone

hello nadhir!

i'm sleepy, but thanks for asking:)

how are you?

hey seanbonner

can everyone see the ustream?

no, it's stuck

yushi looks like it's stuck

no, the ustream is stalled for me

same here

it's frozen

is the ustream down for all?

it's working now

back now

there we go

back again

thanks guys. sorry about that

UStream back up. Thx Yushi!

@AndrewM could you please give us your twitter ID, thx.

@McAndrew

hi again

sorry i'm having trouble with my intenet

hi lena, could you present our project?

is everyone in IRC able to hear Andrew? Please let me know. thx

yes I can hear Andrew

what are your thoughts on http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/against-transparency

And also http://infovegan.com/2010/07/01/how-transparency-fails-and-works-too/

Is UStream still working?

yes

yes

ok

hey Quinn

hello

i've tried to teach hackers to write

that's a disaster

i think an important part of writing is empathising with your audience, and hackers are notoriously bad at that. ;)

rehi jpd

As a hacker who writes I take offense with your remark :-P

ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.

pfffft

;)

oh in that case.

2 students now

this journalism class seems promising: over-generalizations and premature conclusions ;)

oh Ado, you and your "specifics" and "research"

totally unnecessary, eh?

@joi can u lower your pic level just a bit

ithanks

thanks

pic?

mic?

mic, yes. early, sorry

He doesn't want to see you so clearly ;)

early!? It's 4:30AM here

there's a lot more cultural boundaries to journalists working together

it's annoying

as in: we're too secretive with each other

@joi, u got me. 2-shay!

Didn't the Knight Foundation make KITT?

quinn, everyone is afraid everyone else is going to steal their scoops

I feel old, I remember KITT

yeah, and they shrink the importance of their stories that way

we need to get over that shit

for one thing, the scoop ain't what it used to be

yeah, whatever you think is your big scoop was on twitter 20 minutes ago

andrew has another 10-15 minutes

stories can only be improved by people working together

also, if anyone here has questions for Andrew

go for it

all of my questions right now would be about transparency and the gulf.

hard to get around that one atm

if you have a ques. for Andrew, pls. start the ques w/ @AndrerwM_

thanks

@AndrerwM_ Anderson Cooper did a very emotional report about the press being locked out of reporting on the gulf oil crisis by both BP and the federal response, and I guess my main question from that is this: aren't we looking at a situation where the APIs, the databases or what have you will just be taken down when/if they become important? I feel like these little assurance that transparency doesn't just get tossed out the

when the questions get hard.

1st ques. for @AndrerwM_ form @quinn-n ^

It's a bit naive to think a government will hold onto transparency when issues become sensitive, esp a government of such a large country with so many corporate and international relationships to nurture.

there's

If I may phrase it cynically, transparency is the new opium for the masses.

@AndrerwM_ how important do you think are the size and the technical design to audiences consuming new media? and can those technologies change audience leisure patterns?

2nd ques. for @AndrerwM_ form @bassel ^

from @bassel ^

let me help with that, andrew: http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=uXsmLMV1CrM&feature=related

it's only a few minutes, and very worth the watching

my room has just been invaded by children who "want to play"

heheh

Nice confusing question there Bassel

yes JoiIto that's better :-)

thanks andrew!

thank you AndrewM_

thank you all!

@McAndrew

and sorry for the confusing question

see you online

thanks Andrew!

yup, here

if u wanna get on SKype. please give me a skype ID

lena_bien_plez

of course:)

hi lena, u r online

once joi is done w/his thought, I'll switch it to u

thx for your patience

ok

if there are any other groups, projects that want to talk on Skype, pls give me your Skype ID. thx

quinn, you there?

thx

hi

quinn, can I put you on the spot?

and sean

I'm going to talk a bit about blogging how-to

yep

i'm here

and maybe get your feedback

um, sure?

either in IRC or on skype

if quinn and sean want to skype, please give me your skype ID(s)

ambiguousquinn on skype

joiIto: link?

I'm on skype, but I think the connection at this apartment is pretty flakey

i just sent a skype req. to quinn

I'm 'seanbonner' on skype

You can do groupchat on skype?

I definitely still find that posts where I make some kind of statement but then still leave it open ended

for people to answer questions that helps a lot

turn off UStream - that's the lag quinn

@_ado it is possible if people are using Skype 5.0 (beta) <--- windows only

Totally agree

@sean, once quinn is done i'll try to contact u

@janak Thanks

I think the more authoritative a post is the less people have to add to it

unless it's a very controversial statement

can you paste your blog URL here too quinn?

Janak OK, but the connection here is really bad so I might drop out

quinnnorton.com/said

@sean. Understood. There is also a time factor as well

cool

I'm happy just to talk here too if that video fails

HA!

Joi, I can't beleive you brought that up without me on screen

So the "post a blog" thing is because of MySpace

that is the place that labled it as such first

interesting, I hear professional journalists who say, "post a blog" too

I think there's people that use that as a dodge for integrity though

like you don't have to make sure you're not lying because it's a blog

;-)

I think it's about adding a disclaimer or disclosure

i would love to see more cultural norms around integrity

in blogging

we need to wrap up the physical class as the room is booked for the next period (10:40am jst)

ok

Thanks!

thanks

thanks

thanks all

thanks!

before everyone starts leaving

dear coursemates, would you be up to a group IRC discussion one day this week and we'll set a time that's not in the middle of the night for you?

are you ever online during the "office hours"?

thx for everyone

thanks all

i'll write down the time in one of the forums, maybe before the next course is best