Solve Anything! Building Ideas through Design - Mar 2010

[18:03:24] Jinglan Chen: :)
[18:04:18] *** Gespräch beendet. ***
[18:04:21] *** Konferenzgespräch beendet (Dauer 1:02:40). ***
[18:04:56] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: Hear a lot of people
[18:05:03] *** Vivek Rao hat Jane Park hinzugefügt ***
[18:06:54] *** Vivek Rao hat Curtis Frantz hinzugefügt ***
[18:11:11] Curtis Frantz: alright
[18:11:16] Curtis Frantz: can everyone read me?
[18:11:21] Vivek Rao: hey curtis!
[18:11:35] Curtis Frantz: hey!
[18:11:41] Curtis Frantz: sorry I'm late
[18:12:04] Vivek Rao: no worries. (we're doing intro)
[18:12:56] *** Vivek Rao hat Jane Park aus diesem Chat entfernt ***
[18:12:59] *** Vivek Rao hat Jane Park hinzugefügt ***
[18:13:58] *** Vivek Rao hat Jane Park aus diesem Chat entfernt ***
[18:14:02] Curtis Frantz: I guess this is where I'm supposed to let you guys know where I'm from and a little bit of my background, right?
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[18:15:10] Curtis Frantz: I graduated with my undergraduate degree this past December/January and I've been trying to start up a business soon, but there's a lot to learn still and I was really intrigued about p2p university when I read about it
[18:16:09] Curtis Frantz: yes
[18:16:11] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: yes
[18:16:14] Jinglan Chen: y
[18:16:56] *** Vivek Rao hat Jane Park aus diesem Chat entfernt ***
[18:17:28] *** Vivek Rao hat Jane Park hinzugefügt ***
[18:19:16] Jinglan Chen: I think he give a good explanation for how to start design thinking
[18:19:43] Curtis Frantz: I really appreciated the rapid prototyping concept he introduced, as in how rapid prototyping helps evolve new ideas quickly, by seeing them in the real world and how people interact with them
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[18:21:27] Chad Lubelsky: Having problems hearing Sergio
[18:21:32] Chad Lubelsky: oh
[18:21:34] Chad Lubelsky: call lost
[18:21:38] Chad Lubelsky: sad
[18:21:44] Vivek Rao: no!
[18:22:20] Jane Park: i havent been able to join the call at all
[18:22:36] Jane Park: so to intro myself: i'm not actually take the course, but i am sort of mentoring it in the background
[18:22:49] Jane Park: as a former p2pu course organizer (and current) of creative nonfiction writing
[18:23:11] Jane Park: and i am excited to see what comes out of this course
[18:23:31] Chad Lubelsky: nice to meet you Jane :)
[18:23:35] Vivek Rao: thx jane!
[18:23:44] Jinglan Chen: hi Jane
[18:23:52] Curtis Frantz: although, the interaction that he called for requires a high level education on the part of the participants and if everyone is supposed to participate, that's a pretty tall order
[18:23:57] Curtis Frantz: Jane, hi!
[18:27:05] Vivek Rao: jinglan: can you invite jane and chad to the call?
[18:27:19] Jinglan Chen: let me try
[18:27:23] Vivek Rao: thanks!
[18:27:44] Chad Lubelsky: worked!
[18:27:45] Chad Lubelsky: tanks!
[18:27:54] Vivek Rao: excellent, hi-five Jinglan!
[18:28:02] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: My Notes:
[18:28:02] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: 2) Make a few notes on any questions you might have regarding his video. Also jot down a few words on how this talk makes you feel. Are you angry - is he wrong? Are you excited? Bored? Is this all nonesense? Write it down. We'll share.

The way design as a profession evolved in the late 20th century was actually a necessity. At first, industrial products which entered households and work places were just made, because it was possible and to automate work that had to be done manually. After making work and doing things more effective it was necessary to make them also easier to use, more appealing to be used, so that the user became more respected. As it was already very functional and effective, the last missing thing was that the final user must like it, because of its nice shapes, its handling or other audible, visual or haptic characteristic. That is what brought the designer to small, to working on the details. Later in the 90´s this all went more and more into aesthetics and fashion, everything needed to fit into some style and fashion.

From Tim Brown´s talk I am not quite sure why Design Thinking is called Design Thinking. From the bullet-points he presented, Integrated Thinking sounds even better: Humans, Building (hands-on), Prototyping, Participation, from make choices to create choices.

I also do not think, as phrased in the TED headline for this talk, that he calls designers to think big, but everybody.
[18:28:05] Jinglan Chen: :P
[18:29:01] Curtis Frantz: I appreciated the differences between the convergent approach that he attributed to traditional thinking and the convergent thinking of designer thinking
[18:29:21] Chad Lubelsky: i can see it
[18:29:26] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: I see
[18:29:30] Philippe: fine
[18:29:42] Vivek Rao: can you see this?
[18:29:49] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: affirmative
[18:30:08] Curtis Frantz: sorry for being the odd man out down here, lol
[18:30:28] Jinglan Chen: (handshake)
[18:30:32] Vivek Rao: no worries curtis!
[18:30:44] Vivek Rao: imma read your thoughts in a minute.
[18:30:55] Karien Bezuidenhout: where are you based curtis?
[18:31:06] Chad Lubelsky: I'm on Mac too
[18:31:06] Curtis Frantz: Bronx, NY
[18:31:15] Chad Lubelsky: under the windows
[18:31:19] Chad Lubelsky: tab
[18:31:35] Chad Lubelsky: you should be able to see a chat labelled "hear a lot of people"
[18:31:38] Philippe: oops
[18:31:41] Chad Lubelsky: that is the on we are in
[18:32:10] Vivek Rao: philippe are you out of sound?
[18:32:30] Philippe: works again thanks for calling
[18:33:02] Curtis Frantz: I'm so sorry, but I just don't see it
[18:34:45] Curtis Frantz: building, and brainstorming, too, right?  what comes to my mind is the idea of a think-tank, with a bunch of people getting together coming up with ideas that could start off a good project
[18:37:26] Curtis Frantz: I'm hoping to come out of this class with the confidence to really approach some of the bigger projects I wanted to start in my life....my fear is that I'll either come away with nothing or a false sense of invincibility that'll shatter the first time I hit a real problem
[18:38:08] Karien Bezuidenhout: sounds great curtis
[18:38:39] Jinglan Chen: I hope to provide the information what people really need
[18:38:47] Karien Bezuidenhout: being at the point of going from bi ideas to projects and implementation is very exciting
[18:39:24] Vivek Rao: yes, it's also a very difficult place karien :)
[18:39:43] Philippe: i find it awesome to learn how to interact with people from everywhere. collaboration that way is the future.
[18:40:12] Karien Bezuidenhout: it is!
[18:41:14] e j Cardno: I also like to see ideas contextualised.  To understand why we are where we are - history in order to move forward and allow change, transitions.  Participatory theory etc was ever so trendy. Now we know drawbacks and moving to other methodologies.  That would be most helpfull.
[18:41:23] Vivek Rao: majora carter
[18:41:55] Jinglan Chen: my fear is when we put lots of matter to change something, always someone or somepeople still complaint
[18:42:08] Curtis Frantz: people will always complain
[18:42:10] Jinglan Chen: cost money , time .....
[18:42:19] Jinglan Chen: haha
[18:42:27] Curtis Frantz: a few years in the food service industry, or even retail in general, will teach you that
[18:42:32] Curtis Frantz: lol
[18:45:17] e j Cardno: Yes absolutely,  me too.
[18:45:19] Chad Lubelsky: I think this is the project in New York that was reference a couple of speakers ago: http://www.thehighline.org/
[18:45:55] Jane Park: oops
[18:45:57] Jane Park: connection lost
[18:46:00] Jane Park: it says
[18:46:02] Jane Park: did everyone hear me?
[18:46:07] Chad Lubelsky: i did
[18:46:08] Jinglan Chen: y
[18:46:08] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: yes @jane
[18:46:09] Curtis Frantz: he wants to break the group into two groups
[18:46:16] Jane Park: ah ok
[18:46:17] Jane Park: got it
[18:46:27] Curtis Frantz: so that each team of 5 can tackle some issues
[18:46:35] Jane Park: well like philippe was saying, i think the challenge is doing this across distances
[18:46:42] Jane Park: but that challenge is also what makes it all the more exciting
[18:46:53] Jane Park: and may prove beneficial, since we have such dif perspectives to bring to the table
[18:47:12] Jane Park: and i reall yhope we can reach consensus on one or two things, and in our approaches
[18:47:27] Jane Park: to come up with something tangible by the end
[18:47:32] Curtis Frantz: I'm itching to know what projects everyone wants to work on, but I'm pretty sure that's something you're getting to
[18:47:59] Karien Bezuidenhout: me too
[18:49:41] Curtis Frantz: I've gone to school for pastoral ministry, meaning the protestant version of a priest....but I've come to realize that fewer and fewer people are seeing church as a real answer to spiritual queeries and a spiritual exploration....so, I'm trying to figure out how to make spirituality more relavent to more people.
[18:51:14] Curtis Frantz: I feel like it's suffered a lot in the ways design has suffered as well, becoming more consumerist than interactive
[18:52:02] Curtis Frantz: how do I make spirituality more relevant to more people?
[18:52:18] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: great, great problem curtis
[18:52:51] e j Cardno:  How do we raise the awareness of, understanding of health information as a critical element in individual and community life?
[18:54:05] Curtis Frantz: the answer to that question could very powerfully make for a community more in tuned with wellness, perhaps helping increase the quality of life for everyone, Cardno
[18:54:24] Jinglan Chen: How to serve people individualy.
[18:54:34] Jinglan Chen: People who use the libraries inspired me to interest in studying individual behaviors of using libraries and information service. As we know, using libraries and information service are actually various depending on individual behavior, for nowadays’ technology development providing us more and more new tools such as search engine, mobile devices, web tools to achieve personalizing service. It contains lots of potential spaces for creative solution designs
[18:55:42] e j Cardno: I see libraries as now part of a larger domain of knowledge dissemination and formation.  That is the real challenge for the future.
[18:55:48] Curtis Frantz: Chen, I believe our troubles today with the technology today shows how valid a problem you're struggling with is, lol
[18:56:49] Jinglan Chen: yes
[18:57:28] Jinglan Chen: no matter how hard I try to do so, they seems can't get the right things
[18:57:42] e j Cardno: Individualy speaks to one way unitary transmission and does not advantage the broader aspects of information formation, transmission and valuable use.  Information is not concrete  but with new ICTs constantly evolving.
[18:57:46] Philippe: I'm quite keen on the idea proposed by Curtis
[18:58:01] Philippe: spirituality is undervalued nowadays and a key for sustainable development
[18:58:25] Curtis Frantz: the idea behind the technology to interconnect us is quite wonderful, but when it comes to practical implementation, it struggles
[18:59:09] Curtis Frantz: poor Vivek, so much of the conversation is happening down here, it's hard for him to split his attention
[18:59:17] Karien Bezuidenhout: i can't hear sergio
[18:59:35] Jinglan Chen: vivek is great
[18:59:39] Karien Bezuidenhout: vivek has quite the juggling act going :)
[19:00:00] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: ok
[19:00:06] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: sorry
[19:00:13] Philippe: no worries :)
[19:00:14] Jane Park: my question: how do we redesign or restructure (i guess nonprofit) organizations so that they are better directly serving the people they are trying to help, rather than "the man" or some abstract ideal. this could also apply to corporations i guess?
[19:00:32] Jinglan Chen: I like juggling
[19:00:43] Vivek Rao: :) :)
[19:00:54] Philippe: am a little struggling with accents ^^
[19:01:16] Curtis Frantz: in America, I'm pretty sure there are new kinds of corporations, called type B corporations, that are supposed to be more conscious about how they affect the environment and whatnot, but it hasn't been recognized by all the states
[19:01:30] Jinglan Chen: :x
[19:01:41] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: Here in Brazil soccer is the most importat sptor. but tue stadiums are terrible, and there is no seccurity at all. but the biggest problem is the violens between soccer fan
[19:01:43] Karien Bezuidenhout: great affirmation all round :)
[19:02:05] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: *violence
[19:02:06] e j Cardno: I believe non profits need to get back to their routes as representative of their broader communities.  So many adopted business practices that have distanced and distracted them from grass routes, public oriented mandates.   Lunge assoc. competing with cancer for funds.   I m thiking of the Tipping Point again.  Jayne
[19:02:14] Vivek Rao: wow soccer violence! very interesting.
[19:02:46] e j Cardno: We have hockey violence.  The Uk  football/soccer violence.
[19:03:00] Philippe: hockey violence... wow
[19:03:07] Curtis Frantz: especially in the whole world outside of America, I can understand how much soccer violence can be an important thing
[19:03:20] Curtis Frantz: when goalies are shot because they missed a ball, things are bad
[19:03:27] Karien Bezuidenhout: we have the FIFA WC coming up in june/july
[19:03:38] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: so my question is "how can we improove the seccurity in wachint soccer and how to spot fan's violence
[19:03:43] Karien Bezuidenhout: very relevant
[19:03:57] Jinglan Chen: :D
[19:04:12] Jinglan Chen: security is the most important
[19:04:34] e j Cardno: Violence - sport - again Im thing the book  - The Tipping Point.  Related to system functions and relationships.  Redesign?
[19:04:55] Chad Lubelsky: I've got a few more minutes :)
[19:05:02] Karien Bezuidenhout: the tipping point inspired our founder to start our org
[19:05:35] Curtis Frantz: ...ok....meow
[19:05:52] Philippe: that's fun ^^
[19:05:53] Karien Bezuidenhout: go curtis :)
[19:05:56] Curtis Frantz: lol
[19:05:59] e j Cardno: A mouse.
[19:06:07] Jinglan Chen: (sun)
[19:06:13] Curtis Frantz: squeek
[19:06:13] Jinglan Chen: 8 go to sleep
[19:06:41] Curtis Frantz: bzzzzz
[19:06:43] Curtis Frantz: a bee
[19:07:02] *** Gespräch beendet. ***
[19:07:07] *** Gruppengespräch ***
[19:07:08] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: please forgive my english mistakes. speed typing is not an easy thin to me
[19:07:09] Karien Bezuidenhout: hello?
[19:07:10] Chad Lubelsky: my call just dropped
[19:07:13] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: ups
[19:07:16] Jane Park: well i got kicked off, but gotta go anyway
[19:07:18] Curtis Frantz: bzzz
[19:07:19] Chad Lubelsky: back!
[19:07:20] Jinglan Chen: cat is backing
[19:07:22] Vivek Rao: hi!
[19:07:22] Curtis Frantz: that was a wasp
[19:07:23] Vivek Rao: okay
[19:07:31] Curtis Frantz: they're different
[19:07:39] Karien Bezuidenhout: back
[19:07:52] Chad Lubelsky: sounds great!
[19:07:56] Chad Lubelsky: thanks Vivek!
[19:07:57] e j Cardno: sort the time zone thing  It is now 12 pm in Edmonton Ca.   we are on day light saving time.  jayen
[19:08:04] e j Cardno: Been really great. jayne
[19:08:42] Curtis Frantz: I've been having trouble wtih the message board stuff that the site has been using
[19:09:38] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: yes
[19:09:39] Jane Park: thank you so much vivek!
[19:09:40] Karien Bezuidenhout: thanks folks
[19:09:43] Jane Park: that was fun
[19:09:46] Jinglan Chen: nice to meet you guy
[19:09:47] Chad Lubelsky: have a great day / night everyone!
[19:09:49] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: thanks vivek, cya all
[19:09:49] Curtis Frantz: ok
[19:09:50] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: bb
[19:09:51] Vivek Rao: BYE!!!
[19:09:57] Curtis Frantz: bye!
[19:09:58] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: thanks everyone
[19:10:01] Sergio Ruy David Polimeno Valente: bye
[19:10:10] Karien Bezuidenhout: it was great meeting you all
[19:10:11] Vivek Rao: (cleaning up the classroom!)
[19:10:17] Vivek Rao: yes! indeed! see you
[19:10:20] Chad Lubelsky: lol
[19:10:21] Curtis Frantz: lol
[19:10:38] Curtis Frantz: sorry for stretching your tech to its boundaries
[19:10:59] Vivek Rao: that's what technology is for, to get pushed! see you guys.
[19:11:56] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: when using the message board I could go back to Wave, but I am not sure whether everybody is using in the class. It would be so much easier to use and followup the conversation
[19:12:24] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: I mean "I wished I could go back to Wave"..
[19:12:30] Curtis Frantz: I'm using, but there's a lag time on my comp
[19:12:38] Curtis Frantz: it's not too bad though
[19:12:42] Curtis Frantz: it used to be much worse
[19:12:47] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: yes
[19:13:03] Curtis Frantz: I used to type a whole paragraph, and have to wait an hour for the buffer to catch up
[19:13:22] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: the reply function on the message board actually posts another post, not really visible to whom you reply
[19:13:28] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: ui
[19:13:30] Curtis Frantz: now it's about fifteen, twenty seconds
[19:13:54] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: ok. well so far I had no realtime experience with Wave
[19:13:58] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: well
[19:13:59] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: a bit
[19:14:04] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: but that was very fast
[19:14:10] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: one conversation
[19:14:22] Curtis Frantz: I'm trying to get used to the format for the p2p site
[19:14:28] Curtis Frantz: their dreams are lofty
[19:14:31] Curtis Frantz: their tools, not so much
[19:14:31] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: :)
[19:14:43] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: well you see it in the finance&economics course
[19:14:52] Curtis Frantz: bye then
[19:15:12] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: we have all posted our answers and then added the replies. not very intuitive to follow
[19:15:22] Curtis Frantz: oh
[19:15:36] Curtis Frantz: sorry, misunderstood your reply
[19:15:44] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: ah :)
[19:16:14] Curtis Frantz: yeah, whenever a start a thread, it starts three copies of it at once
[19:16:16] Curtis Frantz: very strange
[19:16:23] Curtis Frantz: whenever I start a thread*
[19:16:32] Dennis Sebastian Riedel: yes
[19:16:52] Curtis Frantz: but, I'm hear to learn just as much about p2p as anything else
[19:17:01] Curtis Frantz: I think it's a fascinating concept and project
[19:17:12] Curtis Frantz: learning from their mistakes would help anyone else do better