Introduction to Cyberpunk Literature - Mar 2010

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5:26pmLaurianhello,

5:26pmLaurianI'm collecting links for the final scary assignment

5:27pmDoreneHi there

5:27pmLaurianhow's going?

5:27pmDoreneIt's going okay...I'm still in a weird limbo that affects me more than I'd like to admit

5:27pmDorenebut I it's going to be okay ultimately

5:28pmLaurianno problem

5:29pmLaurianwe're all here to have fun

5:29pmLaurianand learn

5:29pmLaurianthose things should be synonyms :)

5:30pmDoreneHave you seen Caprica...the prequel to the new Battlestar Galactica?

5:30pmLaurianp2pu will have a workshop in Barcelona in November, we need to analyse how two iterations of courses went and how should we do them in the future

5:30pmLaurianI'll join a course also (as student): Digital Journalism

5:31pmLaurianhttp://p2pu.org/journalism

5:31pmDoreneWhen does that course start?

5:31pmDoreneI've been watching to see what the next round might be...

5:31pmDoreneI enjoy this...

5:32pmDoreneI wish I was better at it, but I can improve

5:32pmLaurianon 4th june?

5:33pmDoreneHmmm...I wonder if I should?

5:33pmLaurianNo of Seats: 30

5:33pmLaurianOpening Date: 2010-05-28

5:33pmLaurianCourse Dates: 2010-06-04 - 2010-07-23

5:33pmLaurianCourse Status: Open for registration

5:34pmLaurianthe chats will be late as hours (japan time), but they do also asyncronous communication

5:35pmDoreneWhat is there between Japan and Pacific time? 4 hours?

5:36pmLaurianno idea :)

5:36pmLaurianbut it is not compulsory to be in the chats

5:36pmLaurianwhich is nice

5:36pmLaurianzombieToast: we're talking about http://p2pu.org/journalism

5:36pmLaurianI will join the course as student :)

5:37pmzombieToastoh right yeah looks pretty cool

5:37pmzombieToasthope they get it to stick

5:39pmLaurianwell they have a full class of japanese students joining in

5:40pmzombieToastI mean for a second/third round later on

5:41pmLaurianyeah

5:42pmLaurianbtw

5:42pmLaurianp2pu will email you all with a survey or something

5:42pmzombieToastyeah i got one email, but it was a call for first round students?

5:42pmLaurianbe merciless :)

5:42pmzombieToastseemed weird..

5:42pmLaurianhmmm, I have to check

5:42pmzombieToastthought we were the second round

5:43pmDoreneI got the same e-mail

5:45pmLaurianhmmm, I'll ask them

5:45pmLaurianI doubt that 1st round were targeted now

5:45pmDoreneI was just going to go ahead and do the survey anyway

5:45pmDorenesince it was sent to me

5:46pmLaurianwe really need input

5:47pmLaurianhmmm, Dana is at work probably, I'll stress her via twitter :)

5:47pmzombieToastneed someone to filter that input too though

5:48pmLaurianzombieToast: what do you mean?

5:48pmzombieToastI see a lot of chatter in the lounge about building reputation systems and all kinds of shit

5:48pmzombieToastget the basics right first

5:48pmLaurianjoin in and screeam :)

5:48pmzombieToastif I had that kind of time

5:49pmLaurianone day when you're pissed off just write something there :)

5:49pmzombieToastI'm sure I'll get a rant in one day

5:49pmLaurianp2pu will have a workshop in Barcelona this autumn, but things should be set on path way before that

5:49pmzombieToastbut it's a real problem with crowdsourcing ideas like that

5:50pmzombieToastDunning Kruger effect & all

5:51pmLaurianhehehe (just found what it is) lovely http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

5:52pmLaurianit is a big problem in online projects

5:53pmDorenewow

5:53pmDoreneI'd never heard that before

5:54pmLaurianDorene: apart of the survey, any thoughts you have, please write them to me, p2pu, etc.

5:54pmLaurianDunning Kruger effect is in full force in governments I believe

5:55pmDoreneI will Laurian...my issue is, however, I feel much of the personal disappointments for the course have more to do with my state of being than anything P2P has done

5:55pmDoreneor not done

5:56pmLaurianbut you have experience in teaching, you surely must have some feedback

5:56pmDoreneYes...mostly to do with the interface and the participation

5:56pmDoreneor lack thereof

5:58pmLauriana nice written critique would be lovely

5:59pmDoreneConsider it done

5:59pmLaurianthanks :)

6:00pmLaurianon the assignments, can we still aim for the end of the month?

6:00pmLaurianI promise to feedback on them, even on the past ones (must reach Rebecca on grading though)

6:01pmDoreneYes...I am struggling to read Hacker Crackdown, but I think I can manage without most of it

6:01pmzombieToastI hope to have the 4th done soon, but not sure how long the last will take

6:01pmDoreneDid you guys see Caprica?

6:01pmzombieToastyeah

6:01pmDorenethe prequel to Battlestar Galactica

6:01pmLaurianI have no TV :)

6:01pmzombieToastneither ;)

6:02pmLaurianI've seen an article, cute girl in Caprica :)

6:02pmDoreneI was struck by the reaction of the daughter of the Toran guy to being made into an AI version of her former self

6:03pmzombieToastwhy? / by what?

6:03pmDorenethe avatar built of her was completely freaked out by herself

6:03pmDoreneand her environment

6:04pmDorenethe scientist created her from data, but gave her no transitional support into her environment

6:04pmDoreneshe was scared and confused

6:04pmzombieToastwouldn't that be what you'd expect?

6:05pmDoreneMaybe...but it bothered me quite a bit

6:05pmzombieToastI thought she handled ok after a while

6:06pmDorenenot the one...

6:06pmDoreneZoe, who created her own virtual self, nurtured her AI self along

6:06pmDoreneuntil her death

6:07pmDorenebut the other AI girl was created with no explanation to her of what she was

6:07pmDoreneand the one familiar thing who visited her, her father, summarily rejected her

6:08pmzombieToastrejected her...? didn't she have to shoot herself to get him to leave?

6:08pmzombieToast(spoiler much Laur? sorry :p)

6:08pmDoreneI don't remember that...

6:08pmLaurianno problem

6:09pmLaurianI have a short memory span

6:10pmDoreneI remember the father ripping off his interface glasses and storming out of the scientist's lab

6:10pmDorenecalling her an abomination

6:10pmDorenenot to her face, but to the scientist

6:10pmDorenemy impression was that she was just left in the net, scared and alone

6:11pmzombieToastoh no she does just fine after while

6:11pmDoreneshe was certainly that until her father arrived on the scene...

6:11pmzombieToastbecomes one of the better characters

6:12pmDoreneI guess I'm just talking about the pilot movie

6:12pmzombieToastoh well I'll shut up then

6:13pmzombieToastbefore I give away half the show lol

6:13pmDoreneThat's okay...that is what my reaction is based on though

6:13pmzombieToastyeah just going on the pilot she does pretty much just get dumped into v-world

6:13pmzombieToastshe'll be fine

6:14pmDoreneOh, good...I was really worried about her

6:14pmLaurianhmmm, I must buy time to see this

6:14pmDoreneI felt like she'd been created but not having any one taking responsibility for her

6:16pmLaurianbrb

6:16pmzombieToastLaurian: wiat for them to finish the first season at least imo

6:16pmLaurianok

6:16pmLaurianbrb

6:17pmzombieToastit's on half-way at the moment & I'm not decided if I'll bother keeping up

6:17pmzombieToastskipped the first 2 seasons of BSG as well & didn't miss much so...

6:19pmDorenebut I think my point is still somewhat valid...she was created, but her creator didn't view her as significant enough to be responsible to her

6:20pmLaurian(getting mad trying to make some html5 video work on iPad, yeah I'm at work)

6:20pmDoreneand I mean doctor Graystone...

6:20pmDoreneshe was a means to an end for him...he wanted to curry favor with Adama, the Tauron

6:20pmzombieToastyeah that comes up in the series

6:20pmzombieToastI mean it was just a pilot

6:21pmzombieToastthere's going to be like 4 seasons of this stuff

6:21pmLaurian(Dana via email: Sorry again, no Internet connection. Am in hareid, close to Ålesund)

6:21pmDorenebut it was a pilot that stood alone for over 9 months...

6:21pmzombieToaststill just a pilot

6:22pmDoreneI will have to see if I can dig up the episodes

6:22pmDorenebut, left to that, I can see why the Cylons developed into the enemy(?) they did

6:26pmzombieToastI dunno, i have some issues with the show but I can't get into that without spoiler heavy ranting so I'll leave it :)

6:27pmzombieToastWill probably just give ut a few years & then ask around if I should go back & watch it

6:28pmDoreneOkay

6:29pmzombieToastAm currently reading Stand on Zanzibar

6:29pmzombieToastit's set in 2010

6:29pmzombieToastread it while it's till good!

6:30pmLaurian:)

6:30pmzombieToast*still

6:30pmLaurianyeah, 2010 it is supposed to be the year we made contact

6:31pmzombieToastthat too...

6:31pmLaurianhalf of year almost gone

6:31pmDoreneStand on Zanzibar hold now placed at library

6:32pmDoreneand I gotta go

6:32pmDoreneHave a great evening you guys

6:32pmzombieToastlater

6:32pmzombieToasthave a good one

6:42pmLaurianoops missed you both

6:42pmLaurianwork kills me

6:42pmzombieToastis ok

6:42pmzombieToasthaving been workng half the time as well

6:42pmLaurianzombieToast: I'll try to find more links on how to write sci-fi

6:42pmLaurianand I'll try to get Dana back on the chats

6:42pmzombieToastI'm good

6:43pmzombieToastI've read enough on how to write by now

6:43pmLaurianyeah, now is the hard part

6:43pmLaurianthe idea

6:43pmzombieToastnumber 1 rule seems to be shut up and write already :)

6:43pmLaurianyup

6:43pmLauriani'm not sure if it was in the links

6:43pmLaurianbut one advice I found online was

6:44pmLaurianthat if you don't know what to write, just copy from your favourite book

6:44pmLaurianit gets you going

6:44pmLaurianthen you can actually write your own things

6:44pmzombieToastI have my basic plot down

6:44pmzombieToast& setting

6:44pmzombieToastmost characters

6:44pmLauriannice

6:45pmzombieToastmore just padding it out & getting a decent rythm in it now

6:45pmzombieToastrewriting always takes me longer than the initial write-up

6:45pmLaurianyup

6:46pmLaurianI want to rewrite the story I wrote for the past course

6:55pmzombieToastI found some stuff a few weeks ago, a book from primary school containing the stories i wrote when I was 11

6:55pmzombieToastpretty entertaining stuff

6:56pmzombieToastI had gunfights, hangings and time-warping eco-terrorists

6:56pmzombieToastI've decided if I can beat my 11 year old self I'm doing ok haha

7:05pmLaurianhehe

7:05pmLaurianhow did you assessed the age (11)?

7:06pmzombieToastmust have been, I remember the classroom I wrote that stuff in & is was only in there for one year

7:07pmLaurianI see, I thought that you assessed 11 as the age of your inner child :)

7:07pmzombieToastno, I wrote that stuff when I was actually 11 haha

7:08pmzombieToasthavn't written any fiction since

7:08pmzombieToastI got computer games instead

7:09pmzombieToaststopped reading then too, didn't pick that back up till about 6/7 years ago

7:10pmLaurianI discovered that I love writing fiction

7:11pmzombieToastso you said

7:11pmzombieToastI guess I'm about to find out

7:11pmzombieToasthow much i still enjoy it

7:12pmzombieToastthis will be the first piece longer than 140 characters since back then

7:13pmLaurian:))

7:13pmLaurianok, I'll run to eat something, see you on twitter

7:13pmzombieToastk ttyl

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