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Please head over to this link, and indicate when you'd like to meet. In order to maximize our opportunities for Jan 26 - Feb 2, please do this as soon as possible.

http://whenisgood.net/ferg-intro-php

I'll post in this thread when a date and time have been chosen.

I recommend you subscribe to email updates from this forum.

I'm looking forward to meeting all of you. Thanks.

Jade Elizabeth's picture
Jade Elizabeth
Wed, 2011-01-26 08:47

I dunno if we're supposed to/allowed to post in this topic, but is there any way you guys can create sub forums for each group? That way I can subscribe to my group without sorting through 100 emails a day lol. And I can keep up with the topics easier.

Just an idea :D.

Sorry if I wasnt supposed to reply to this (your bold text makes me think I shouldnt) but at least your topic has some love now :D.

Jade
:)

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Wed, 2011-01-26 10:47

Hi, Jade. Please feel free to reply. This post only pertains to our section only, but anyone in this section should feel free to discuss, question, challenge, suggest, etc. We're working together on this project. It's not the Fergus show. :)

The co-ordinators have discussed creating separate Google Groups for each section. I'd rather not move off-site, but we aren't given the ability to create different forums here. We definitely see that having all the separate communications here won't work.

Jade Elizabeth's picture
Jade Elizabeth
Wed, 2011-01-26 11:31

Lol Fergus show :D.

I think it needs to be together, Google groups would upset the balance. Maybe I'll go search for a lovely contact form to spam ideas through :D.

Thanks for letting me know about how the topics work :D.

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Wed, 2011-01-26 21:59

I understand your concern, Jade. We'd definitely keep these forums for group discussion among the students and co-ordinators. The Google Groups suggestion would pertain to a space where section specific content could be separated from the general discussion. I agree it's an awkward solution, though, because it does demand we have separate places to check and post.

Maybe if we contact the P2PU administrators, they can help us by creating separate forums here so that we can do it all through this site? I think that would be the best solution, and it was something we thought we'd be able to do as admins. I'm not sure how easily the P2PU platform and theme would support that, though Drupal, the underlying CMS, is more than capable.

Jade Elizabeth's picture
Jade Elizabeth
Fri, 2011-01-28 09:21

That would be an awesome idea :D. I already sent a message asking for the feature so we should spam them as much as possible ;).

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Wed, 2011-01-26 22:21

I'm going to use GMT as our standard time zone since there's no particular reason to state all times relative to me. Hopefully, we all know or can figure out how to convert GMT to our local time zone.

Based on the responses thus far it appears the best meeting time is Sunday, January 30th at 8 PM GMT. This time would be suitable for 7 of the 11 respondents (8 have yet to respond).

A second meeting could potentially be held on Monday the 31st at 2 AM GMT. This time has been listed as suitable by three of the remaining four respondents. While a meeting for just three people seems questionable to me, if we can get some more who can make this time, it may be worth considering a second meeting in the first week.

Unfortunately, one of the 11 respondents didn't indicate either of these times as possible for him.

Comments are always welcome. Even if I use bold. ;)

Roger Davis's picture
Roger Davis
Wed, 2011-01-26 22:30

Hi folks! I just filled out the whenisgood form.

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Thu, 2011-01-27 09:11

Thanks, Roger.

Chaun Keating's picture
Chaun Keating
Wed, 2011-01-26 23:14

Any chance these meetings will be recorded so that folks that could not attend could play it back later?

I know services such as WebEx (not pushing that one btw) can record a meeting and send the link out to view later.

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Thu, 2011-01-27 09:51

Yes, Chaun, it's definitely something I've been thinking about. I do hope that it wouldn't discourage people from attending the meeting, though, since I think that's quite important.

I appreciate suggestions about useful services and technology. WebEx is a pay service, though, so it's not something we can really make use of. I'm looking instead at using a Skype plugin on my computer to record the meetings.

Chaun Keating's picture
Chaun Keating
Thu, 2011-01-27 18:52

A couple other apps we've run across at work are http://www.bigbluebutton.org which is open source and http://www.calliflower.com. Calliflower is a pay service but does have some free options.

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Fri, 2011-01-28 09:42

Chaun, as it turns out, P2PU.org is now offering a Big Blue Button server. I’m not sure precisely what state of deployment it’s in since it doesn’t yet appear to be configured with rooms for specific courses, but it appeared to work find when I created a one-off meeting. I can do say 10 mins ahead of the meeting time and then post a link to the meeting room.

Ri Zoldak's picture
Ri Zoldak
Fri, 2011-01-28 01:36

That would be an excellent way for those in other sections to keep in touch too. :) (I'm in Tousif's section, but would love to hear what everyone has been thinking through.)

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Fri, 2011-01-28 09:46

Hi, Ri. I actually got a response to you on whenisgood.net for my section, so I have now deleted that. Please make sure you made your response to Tousif’s page on that site since you’re in his section. Thanks.

Ri Zoldak's picture
Ri Zoldak
Fri, 2011-01-28 18:07

Oops! Thanks, Fergus. Head is still spinning a little in trying to keep track of all these threads.

Didn't mean to skew your data!

Neil Mendonsa's picture
Neil Mendonsa
Thu, 2011-01-27 00:57

Yeah it would be great if meetings can be recorded. That was we wouldn't miss out on information and any other questions could be asked through the forums or messages.

Joseph Duffy's picture
Joseph Duffy
Thu, 2011-01-27 21:25

I'm assuming I'm in your session, Fergus?
If so, 8PM GMT works for me :)

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Fri, 2011-01-28 09:46

Yes, you’re in my section, Joe.

Jade Elizabeth's picture
Jade Elizabeth
Fri, 2011-01-28 09:26

According to http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html that's 7am for me.

I'm either going to be energetic and bouncy cause I just woke up and I'm a morning person or unable to type cause I stayed up so late LOL.

Do we need headsets or is this a typing meeting? Also, where is the meeting taking place?

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Fri, 2011-01-28 10:02

You can also click on a meeting time on the table on whenisgood.net, and it’ll show you your local time. You’re quite right, though, that’s 7 AM for you. That’s rough! I wouldn’t want to get up at 7 to run the meeting! It’s really not proving at all easy to find a common time that is possible and convenient for all participants. Of now 16 respondents, only 8 listed themselves as able to make that time, and that’s the best time that week. Yikes.

This is why I think we may need to look at moving people between sections or to group leaners by timezone.

My preference at this time is to use the P2PU.org Big Blue Button server for meetings provided it’s implemented sufficiently at this time, which I think it is. I believe it supports both people with mics on voice and people without them sending chat messages from their computers. This also raises an issue re: recording meetings. If communications are split between audio and text, as they likely will be, it isn’t immediately obvious how to record all of that together into a useful information stream (including putting the chat messages in the same time context as the audio discussion).

My temptation is to simply do a screen capture of the whole thing with the audio track. That might have its own issues, though, since it would have to be VERY high resolution to include readable chat. But I might do that and then offer it for distribution through BitTorrent to keep the demand on my outgoing bandwidth down. Alternatively, we could simply have some of our participants take notes in a format that can easily be accessed by all (TitanPad).

I’ll check with the other facilitators about their plans and see if they have any suggestions.

Jade Elizabeth's picture
Jade Elizabeth
Fri, 2011-01-28 10:19

Well, the way I've always had online meetings is strictly one or the other. Mostly by type and have a summary and full log posted, though. The only issue is that it is more time consuming depending on how people type.

I'm fine on the 7AM thing. I'll have to get up at 6am or earlier when I start school in Feb so it's not a biggie for me :).

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Fri, 2011-01-28 19:41

Insisting on one or the other would certainly make it much easier to record. However, forcing everyone to chat because one person doesn’t have a mic doesn’t make a great deal of sense in my mind either. I’m a firm believer that voice communication is more expressive than text.

I’m glad that the 7 AM local time isn’t an issue for you. It’s so hard to schedule this that I didn’t want to be stuck putting another person out. There’s already a bunch of people who seem unable to even make the time. :(

Jade Elizabeth's picture
Jade Elizabeth
Fri, 2011-01-28 10:02

Just in case anyone was interested, I got asked to post my idea on P2PU voice.

So here's the link:
http://p2pu.uservoice.com/forums/47491-website-feedback/suggestions/1421...

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Fri, 2011-01-28 19:47

Supported.

Jade Elizabeth's picture
Jade Elizabeth
Sat, 2011-01-29 14:07

Unfortunately I don't think I'm going to make it. I did say Sunday wasnt good for me and I've found out I have to leave my home at 7am, so I wont even be home :(.

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Sun, 2011-01-30 13:54

You did? I'm going by whenisgood.net, where you've indicated that Sunday the 30th is good for you. Hopefully, everyone understood that you paint the times in green that are good for you. The fact that it was a time when you were available was used in determining that would be the date for the first meeting.

Please note that in order to limit our communication channels and try to keep all of this to something reasonable, I am now using the Nabble forums exclusively. We have a main forum there and a subforum for our section as well.

Our Nabble forums: http://bit.ly/intro2php

Will you be able to make it to the second meeting (since I can't find a meeting time that works for everyone) Monday @ 2 AM GMT?

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Sun, 2011-01-30 17:35

We are meant to be meeting in a few hours, but only three members of the course have signed up for the Nabble forum and have access to the necessary information. Of those, I believe only two are listed as being able to attend the meeting time. Looks like this may be a very small meeting at this rate.

Jay Cassano's picture
Jay Cassano
Sun, 2011-01-30 19:22

Fergus, I will be at the meeting in 2.5 hours.

Janel Roland's picture
Janel Roland
Wed, 2011-02-02 08:17

Hi Fergus,
I've signed up to the Nabble.com forum. I would like some clarification on the group meeting time. It looks like I've missed the first meeting on BBB. I doubt that I can make it to the 2am (GMT) meeting tomorrow night. I did review the Google docs presentation.

Chaun Keating's picture
Chaun Keating
Mon, 2011-01-31 19:21

Hello Fergus,

Sorry to just be catching up on posts now. I have submitted a request for the Nabble forum. I was not available through most of last weekend but I can certainly make Meeting #2 on Feb 2 @ 2 AM GMT no problem.

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Mon, 2011-01-31 20:44

Good to hear, Chaun. You were one of the handleful I set it up for based on your whenisgood response. I was hoping to catch at least 12 of the 16 respondents in this way since even with two meetings I can't get 100%. I will also be releasing a screencast of the first meeting today.

Alex Mrvaljevich's picture
Alex Mrvaljevich
Tue, 2011-02-01 00:48

Hello Fergus! For unforseen reasons i had to move last week, i will be online for the meeting at 2/2 at 2.

Alex Mrvaljevich's picture
Alex Mrvaljevich
Wed, 2011-02-02 03:59

Hello! it is now 2/2 at 2am, i cant seem to find anyone on TitanPad or Chat, where should i head?

Chaun Keating's picture
Chaun Keating
Wed, 2011-02-02 04:04

I'm on TitanPad. :)

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Wed, 2011-02-02 11:49

Oh, Alex and Chaun, I am so sorry. I'm not sure how I managed to do this. I just confirmed on Nabble, which is what I see as the official source about the course, that I did announce 2 Feb. The thing is, I need to go out of town today. I moved it to 1 Feb, but I seem to have not let you guys know that it had to be yesterday and not today, and I thought I'd let you know. I was really frustrated that no one showed up yesterday, but it turns out I told you guys today.

I'm really sorry about wasting your time tonight. This was my fault. I feel horrible. I will be extra careful about not letting this happen again. I will put up the key notes that arose in our first meeting on 31 Jan so that you guys have those clarifications. We'll do better for Week 2. Once again, I'm very, very sorry about this confusion. It was all my error. Thank you so much for trying to attend!

Alex Mrvaljevich's picture
Alex Mrvaljevich
Wed, 2011-02-02 21:59

Thank you Fergus!

Don't worry i assumed it was some sort of mix-up :-) by definition those of us at P2PU are people with initiative and its REALLY hard to get people with initiative at the same place on the same time: We always have something going on ;-) I dont envy the position of the facilitators.

We will surely improve for next week as a group, thanks for sticking with us :-)

Fergus Gibson's picture
Fergus Gibson
Thu, 2011-02-03 01:12

Thanks, Alex. I've also realized I got totally confused by the GMT conversion somewhere along the line and was 24-hours off in my own mind. Darn. I think I'll post my local time along with GMT in the future so I can avoid that. :)

Just a reminder to everyone: I'm posting over at the Nabble forum. If you haven't signed up, please do.
http://bit.ly/intro2php

Chaun Keating's picture
Chaun Keating
Thu, 2011-02-03 01:29

No worries on my part Fergus. The only way I'm able to keep timezones straight is with the Meeting Planner on http://www.timeanddate.com. :)