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Week 2: September 21st and September 23rd

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Hi y'all, 

I've gone ahead and shared my piece for the week with you all in the shared folder for OCN.  I've also included some photos of my "place"--please share yours!

Folks who weren't at our Thursday meeting, please email me your email address at vanessa.gennarelli@gmail.com and I'll share the folder with you.  

Let's have the pieces up by 12pm midnight EST tomorrow for others to share.  

Cheers!

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Vanessa Gennarelli
Wed, 2010-09-22 15:34

OCN-ers, Gena, Jeremy and my pieces are up in the googledoc folder: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-PEXZcp8bqaN2U4M2YwMzMtYWIzZC00YmY0LTh...

As far as prepping discussion goes for tomorrow, I propose their randomly generated order:
Gena-->Jeremy
Jeremy-->Vanessa
Vanessa-->Gena

We can reorganize if Jason also posts.

Let's read each other's pieces and leave comments in them before our meeting.

Talk soon!

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Jeremy Gordon
Thu, 2010-09-23 04:42

Sounds good! Do we need to read "The Bishop's Daughter" and A Match the Heart? I can't seem to find the text for the Match to the Heart from the links posted.

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Vanessa Gennarelli
Thu, 2010-09-23 13:08

Hey Jeremy, thanks for catching the dead link. It's Chapter 1 of the googlebook (2 pages): http://books.google.com/books?id=9E4w6HStuV4C&lpg=PP1&dq=a%20match%20to%...

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Gena Radcliffe
Thu, 2010-09-23 22:08

Hi, guys.

Unfortunately, I will not be able to make it to the chat tonight. There's an event at my daughter's school that I must attend, and I won't be back until well after 8. Please send me notes of what was discussed, and I will be back for next week's meeting, I promise. It seems like it's gotten down to just the three of us, and I don't want you to think I'm bailing out.

And now, for my comments on the stories...

Jeremy: I really enjoyed this piece. I grew up in New Jersey, where there was a 7-11 or Wawa (another chain of convenience stores) seemingly every thirty feet or so. They are the great equalizer, everybody needs to go into a 7-11 for something every now and then, and everyone craves 7-11's not entirely healthy food from time to time. There are only a couple in New York City, none of them near me, and I find myself missing them.

I loved the comparison between the stores and the temples, and the suggestion that, even though you may stick out in the crowd in Taiwan, inside a 7-11 you feel normal, part of everything. The descriptive detail was great, I liked how you gave examples of the differences of products sold there as opposed to what would be found in a 7-11 here. And man, I love Pocky. I can't wait to read more.

Vanessa: Having moved six times in the past fourteen years, between four states, I really got into your post. Your details about leaving things that are familiar to you behind, the difficulty of making room for someone else both in your home and in your life, these are themes that are obviously often found in stories about moving and creating your own space, but yours seems to have a more deeply personal, uncliched tone that is quite good. I also like how the ending is somewhat ambiguous: you're very anxious about how you and your girlfriend are going to manage living together in the long run, but at that moment, you feel hopeful. It's realistic without being either idealistic or cynical.

I also liked the colorful descriptions of the furniture in your house. We have plenty of possessions, many of which we carry along with us from one place to the next, but we don't actually really *look* at them and notice what makes them unique or what gives them character.

You guys, I'm humbled, these are both excellent pieces, I look forward to seeing more. Talk to you soon!

::GENA::

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Vanessa Gennarelli
Fri, 2010-09-24 03:55

I'm also really excited and into what you both produced. Jeremy, did not the notes in the documents work for you? Gena, let me know if I can walk you through Googledocs sometime this week.

I thought we would start with the Bishop's Daughter as we begin to represent ourselves and other people in our pieces. I'm pretty motivated by the Ann Patchett-Lucy Grealy happening (see here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2004/aug/07/biography.features) and I try to consider the debate of dragging others into our stories when I'm writing. To me, Honor Moore's story is irrefutably her father's, and the occasion for the story revolves only around his life. Where is she in the story? At the same time, should we only focus on ourselves in memoir, then? How productive can that be?

I also find her emotional tenor curious. She mentions a rage that estranged her and her Dad, but no palpable emotion accompanies actual evidence of her Dad's sexuality except awkwardness. She doesn’t mention what it is like to actually meet Andrew, her father’s lover. I appreciate these moments in memoir, the uneven-ness of our character, our blind spots. I'm not willing to psychoanalyze Moore, but I do find it notable.

Gretel Ehrlich's intro is one of the best around (I think). Immediately we plummet into the drama and tumult of being struck by lightening. In some ways it reminded me of Gena's piece, because there's something somber about the hallway, although it feels electric with potential. I like "A Match" because it introduces us not only to the situation, but also to her logic--watery, image-rich, drifting away from reality.

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Jeremy Gordon
Fri, 2010-09-24 06:54

Hey guys,

Yes, I am able to see the notes in the documents. I left notes on both pieces, hopefully they are visible. It was great reading them and I'm interested to see where all of us go with our places.

I was going to mention in discussion how both of you chose your homes (or just on the other side of the door) and how you are negotiating something emotional with the space. An interesting commonality.

I will respond more about the Bishop's Daughter later, but yes, the Ehrlich chapter was very striking. I love when prose can be so image heavy without stalling story movement. Also, the first person tone is really effective. She is outside and inside at the same time. Reminds of me of Annie Dillard.

(FYI: As I discovered trying to read this... Google books doesn't allow access to the preview pages outside of North America for books still in copyright. I had a friend send me screencaps.)

Thanks for both of your comments. I will respond to yours, Vanessa, in the document.

I posted something about 7-11 on my facebook to see if I could use some of my friend's feelings/experineces somewhere and I was surprised that the only responses I got were from friends in North America.

I wasn't expecting that, but I think I really need to look at how, like you said, Gena, it an equalizer in America, too.

I am pushing myself to see exactly what I have to say and this is a useful new direction.

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Vanessa Gennarelli
Fri, 2010-09-24 13:34

That's awesome, Jeremy. Don't forget to include the slurpee!

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Vanessa Gennarelli
Fri, 2010-09-24 13:36

Gena, both Jeremy and I left notes in your document. When you are signed in to googledocs through your porcelain address, can you see them? Thanks, VMG