Introduction to Cyberpunk Literature - Mar 2010

sundancer joined the chat room.
[7:01pm] sundancer: right
[7:01pm] sundancer: still nobody?
[7:01pm] zombieToast: wow people
[7:01pm] sundancer: @zombieToast
[7:01pm] zombieToast: yeah nah
[7:01pm] sundancer: hei!
[7:02pm] zombieToast: just me & the bot
[7:02pm] sundancer: where are laur and doreen?
[7:02pm] zombieToast: who knows
[7:02pm] sundancer: sorry, i just returned from shopping
[7:02pm] zombieToast: meatspace
[7:02pm] sundancer: grrear
[7:02pm] sundancer: *t
[7:02pm] sundancer: well I'll stick around
[7:02pm] zombieToast: new job ok?
[7:02pm] sundancer: yeap
[7:03pm] sundancer: 'twas a bit difficult in the first three weeks
[7:03pm] sundancer: because I have to speak Norwegian all the time
[7:03pm] sundancer: and it's a bit stressful
[7:03pm] sundancer: but else
[7:03pm] sundancer: people are ok
[7:03pm] sundancer: love the environment
[7:03pm] sundancer: everybody is out of the office til 5pm latest
[7:04pm] zombieToast: cool, yeah norwegian must be a bit heavy
[7:04pm] sundancer: neah
[7:04pm] sundancer: not all that bad
[7:04pm] zombieToast: you spoke it already?
[7:04pm] sundancer: i speak german as a mother tongue
[7:04pm] sundancer: and with the right mix of english it's functioning very good
[7:04pm] sundancer: neah, learned it here in norway
[7:04pm] zombieToast: well I speak dutch but norwegian still sounds pretty wierd to me
[7:05pm] sundancer: arrived here october last year
[7:05pm] sundancer: and I took an intensive course in norsk
[7:05pm] zombieToast: ah ok
[7:05pm] sundancer:  at some point I could also speak dutch
[7:05pm] sundancer: but I forgot it all
[7:06pm] zombieToast: not too hard if you can speak german i guess
[7:07pm] sundancer: nope
[7:07pm] sundancer: just an extra strain with the pronounciation
[7:07pm] sundancer: you are dutch, i gather?
[7:07pm] zombieToast: yeah nz/dutch
[7:07pm] zombieToast: dual citizenship
[7:08pm] sundancer: hear hear!
[7:08pm] zombieToast: parents are dutch but I grew up over in NZ
[7:08pm] sundancer: one of the most beautiful countries in europe
[7:08pm] sundancer: in the world
[7:08pm] sundancer: i mean
[7:08pm] sundancer:
[7:08pm] zombieToast: haha was going to say
[7:09pm] zombieToast: halloand is cool but it aint much to look at
[7:09pm] zombieToast: *holland
[7:09pm] sundancer: true true
[7:09pm] sundancer: except for the red quarter
[7:09pm] sundancer: >))
[7:10pm] zombieToast: haha even that gets ols pretty quick when you pass through every day
[7:10pm] zombieToast: *old
[7:10pm] sundancer: yeah so i heard
[7:10pm] sundancer: from some fellow dutch people
[7:10pm] sundancer: well anyway
[7:10pm] sundancer: what has been going on in the course
[7:11pm] sundancer: have just peeked on the materials you kept sending
[7:11pm] sundancer: awesome material
[7:11pm] sundancer: but apart from yourself, laur and doreen, and some other chap don't remember his name
[7:11pm] sundancer: has anything else happened?
[7:12pm] zombieToast: avi & janine
[7:12pm] zombieToast: nah, not much tbh
[7:12pm] zombieToast: apparently Laurian has sent out some emails trying to get people back on board
[7:12pm] sundancer: mhm
[7:13pm] zombieToast: but not much response from what I gather
[7:13pm] zombieToast: I think the whole deal kind of suffered from the slow start & fragmanted communication in the beginning
[7:15pm] zombieToast: anyway, I'm determined to finish it up, we'll see who's left at the end haha
[7:16pm] sundancer: yeap, me too
[7:16pm] sundancer: although it was a bit fragmented
[7:16pm] sundancer: I thought the topic was great
[7:16pm] sundancer: and whoever stuck with it could draw value
[7:17pm] sundancer: that being said, I'm still lagging on homework
[7:17pm] zombieToast: yeah it's already spawned off a lot of other interesting stuff to read up on
[7:17pm] zombieToast: found a lot of stuff I wasn't aware of previously
[7:18pm] sundancer: exactly
[7:18pm] sundancer: and the videos you sent were awesome
[7:18pm] zombieToast: so funny some of them
[7:19pm] sundancer: tried to digest some, as they really were dense
[7:19pm] sundancer: but I thought them a welcome addition
[7:19pm] zombieToast: that 90's hi-tech stuff looks so quaint already
[7:21pm] sundancer: indeed
[7:21pm] sundancer: loved ghost in the shell
[7:21pm] sundancer: seen no 2 first, and then had to see the first part as well
[7:21pm] sundancer: didn't know the japanese were so deeply philosophical
[7:21pm] sundancer: part 2 was like so filled with quotes and philosophical meaning
[7:22pm] zombieToast: heh you should watch the series
[7:22pm] zombieToast: goes way further
[7:22pm] sundancer: yeah? thought so
[7:22pm] sundancer: it was my first entry in that realm
[7:23pm] sundancer: I have been a huge fan of space opera
[7:23pm] sundancer: and thus was more curious on that side
[7:23pm] zombieToast: like what?
[7:23pm] sundancer: star trek
[7:23pm] sundancer: and dune (oh, dune!)
[7:23pm] sundancer: and the pandora series
[7:23pm] zombieToast: yeah dune is awesome
[7:24pm] zombieToast: don't know pandora?
[7:24pm] sundancer: and foundation
[7:24pm] zombieToast: enjoyed foundation as well
[7:24pm] zombieToast: original trilogy though
[7:24pm] sundancer: frank herbert
[7:24pm] sundancer: also wrote pandora
[7:24pm] zombieToast: it got a bit dumb with the robots tie-in
[7:24pm] zombieToast: (foundation)
[7:24pm] zombieToast: ah ok
[7:24pm] sundancer: it has some intriguing titles
[7:25pm] sundancer: The Jesus Incident The Lazarus Effect The Ascension Factor
[7:25pm] zombieToast: have you read hyperion?
[7:25pm] sundancer: really weird stuff, but very cool. got lost in reading it again
[7:26pm] sundancer: nope
[7:26pm] zombieToast: recommended highly
[7:26pm] sundancer: on the list
[7:26pm] sundancer: next to neuromancer
[7:26pm] zombieToast: make sure you get the sequel straight away
[7:26pm] sundancer: which ive starting reading in german, completely gaga now
[7:26pm] sundancer: ok
[7:26pm] zombieToast: you don't want to be stuck with the ending of the first book haha
[7:27pm] sundancer:
[7:27pm] sundancer: anyway, next to space opera, i think cyberpunk should not even be considered science fiction
[7:27pm] sundancer: but some kind of scientific realism or so
[7:27pm] sundancer: given the times we live in
[7:27pm] zombieToast: transrealist fiction is what rudy rucker calls it
[7:28pm] sundancer: hear that
[7:28pm] sundancer: that should be a more appropriate title
[7:28pm] zombieToast: yeah cyberpunk is kind of a dumb name
[7:28pm] Laurian joined the chat room.
[7:28pm] zombieToast: it's funny that none of the original authors really like it either
[7:28pm] Laurian: I have no excuse.
[7:28pm] zombieToast: haha
[7:28pm] sundancer: no, we'll toast you
[7:29pm] Laurian: otherwise that I had no coffee since thursday, and I'm completely in other timezone
[7:29pm] zombieToast: Laurian: do you access to the complete log?
[7:29pm] zombieToast: *have access to
[7:29pm] Laurian: W1NT3RMUT3 logs it
[7:29pm] zombieToast: ok
[7:29pm] • Laurian pings the bot
[7:29pm] Laurian: time
[7:29pm] W1NT3RMUT3: Laurian: the time is now Wed May 05 17:25:03 UTC 2010
[7:30pm] sundancer: cute, because we had a short chat already
[7:30pm] Laurian: god, sorry, reaaally sorry, I could swear that it was just 2pm and I have no idea when time flied
[7:30pm] zombieToast: oh well
[7:30pm] Laurian: so, are you comfortable on the assignment on human/machine?
[7:31pm] zombieToast: got any space opera recommendations?
[7:31pm] sundancer: yeap, i also have the punk scene in my backlog
[7:31pm] Laurian: space opera? Asimov
[7:31pm] sundancer: definitely the pandora series
[7:31pm] zombieToast: yeah we got foundation
[7:32pm] sundancer: and you could try seeing firefly  though it doesnt completely fit the bill
[7:32pm] • Laurian is getting back on coffee tomorrow, 6 days detox are enough to recover the receptors
[7:32pm] zombieToast: firefly was cool
[7:32pm] Laurian: zombieToast: also his Robot series are in the same box
[7:32pm] sundancer: @laurian you should try green tea
[7:33pm] zombieToast: didn't like robots as much from what I've read
[7:33pm] sundancer: @zombietoast I've seen the entire series three times. not that it had a long life
[7:33pm] Laurian: zombieToast: yeah, but they build towards Foundation setup
[7:33pm] zombieToast: should check out cowboy bebop if you enjoyed firefly & gits
[7:34pm] sundancer: ok, will put that on my list as well
[7:34pm] Laurian: btw, just seen Moon last night, eerie
[7:34pm] sundancer: gosh, the immense backlog
[7:34pm] zombieToast: yeah Moon was cool
[7:34pm] sundancer: Moon the movie or was there a heavenly body in the skies?
[7:34pm] sundancer: ok bad question
[7:34pm] zombieToast: very good for a debut film
[7:34pm] Laurian: sundancer: neither, Moon the UFO in the skies
[7:34pm] Laurian:
[7:35pm] Laurian: zombieToast: and I love the soundtrack
[7:35pm] sundancer: hehe
[7:35pm] Laurian: was Dorene here today?
[7:35pm] zombieToast: nope
[7:35pm] Laurian: ok
[7:36pm] Laurian: (reading) cowboy bebop? nice
[7:36pm] Laurian: btw, just got FLCL, strange & funny thing
[7:36pm] zombieToast: haha yeah crazy stuff that
[7:37pm] zombieToast: the whole production I.G catalog really
[7:37pm] Laurian: yup, mad people
[7:38pm] sundancer: guys - I'll hop off for a bit, gotta eat
[7:38pm] sundancer: but I'll leave this on
[7:40pm] zombieToast: k, I've been cooking the whole time anyway
[7:40pm] Laurian: zombieToast: so, what have I missed here today? (digging in my mails to find how to query the log)
[7:40pm] sundancer:  me too
[7:41pm] zombieToast: uhm, brief are we it? convo - new job - norwegian - space opera - cyberpunk being kind of a strange label
[7:42pm] Laurian: I wonder how you moved from the norwegian topic to space opera one  any connections in between?
[7:43pm] zombieToast: *checks back* oh yeah the extra videos posted & some GITS
[7:44pm] zombieToast: I've found some interesting stuff for the next assignment as well
[7:44pm] Laurian: [I found how to query the store, now I cannot find the store URL]
[7:44pm] zombieToast: will probably get around to bookmarking it tonight
[7:44pm] zombieToast: I can just post the log on the forum if you want
[7:45pm] Laurian: that would be great
[7:45pm] zombieToast: k will do
[7:46pm] zombieToast: found a video lecture by Haraway @ EGS
[7:46pm] Laurian: wow
[7:46pm] zombieToast: not seen it yet, it's on Cyborgs, Dogs and Companion Species
[7:46pm] zombieToast: should be interesting haha
[7:46pm] Laurian: yup, link?
[7:46pm] zombieToast: sec..
[7:47pm] zombieToast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxHIKmMI70
[7:48pm] Laurian: a, store at http://api.talis.com/stores/cyberpunk-dev1
[7:49pm] Laurian: you can query it at http://api.talis.com/stores/cyberpunk-dev1/services/sparql
[7:49pm] Laurian: with
[7:49pm] Laurian: SELECT ?date ?creator ?o
[7:49pm] Laurian: WHERE {
[7:49pm] Laurian: ?s <http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#content> ?o .
[7:49pm] Laurian: ?s <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/date> ?date .
[7:49pm] Laurian: ?s <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> ?creator .
[7:49pm] Laurian: }  ORDER BY ?date
[7:49pm] Laurian: and get all the channel log
[7:50pm] Laurian: the output is xml
[7:51pm] zombieToast: if you're authorized that is
[7:52pm] zombieToast: ah no qureying is open, wrong link
[7:53pm] Laurian: you can use http://namebound.com:8081/4bot/log.xsl to get html
[7:54pm] Laurian: if you have a XSLT processor somewhere
[7:56pm] Laurian: the query returns all the log, including lines from the previous course
[7:57pm] zombieToast: ok
[7:57pm] zombieToast: I'll just ctrl c&v for today
[7:58pm] Laurian: all the log http://gridinoc.name/cyber/log.html
[7:58pm] Laurian: I must CSS it nicely
[7:58pm] Laurian: and split it in sessions
[8:00pm] Laurian: I really must finish this bot
[8:02pm] zombieToast: haha
[8:02pm] zombieToast: Laurian2009-09-23T13:59:01+0100
[8:02pm] zombieToast: for the moment wintermute can answer only one command: time
[8:02pm] Laurian:
[8:02pm] Laurian: well, the log is from the beginning
[8:04pm] Laurian: zombieToast:
[8:04pm] Laurian: I'll probably run now
[8:04pm] Laurian: I don't want to overdo it
[8:05pm] Laurian: ... apparently sundancer was eaten by the food
[8:05pm] zombieToast: thats cool, I've got to eat as well