Introduction to Cyberpunk Literature - Mar 2010

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5:21pmDoreneAre you guys here and tallking food again without me? :-)

5:22pmzombieToastoh hi

5:23pmzombieToastnot this time

5:23pmzombieToastfood = good idea though brb

5:23pmDoreneWent out for breakfast already

5:24pmDoreneFrench toast, poached eggs and bacon!

5:27pmzombieToastsounds good

5:27pmzombieToasti could use that now

5:35pmDorenedo, dee do, dee do

5:37pmzombieToastgetInfo says Laurian has been idle for about 23 minutes...

5:38pmLaurianhi

5:38pmzombieToasthi

5:38pmLaurianI'm around, but in between leaving for Oxford and working on a very urgent thing

5:39pmLaurianthis week is a mess

5:39pmzombieToastk

5:39pmDoreneI just got an e-mail that we were postponed

5:39pmLaurianeaster disrupted everything

5:39pmzombieToastheh. Did the 2nd timeslot for irc get worked out?

5:39pmLaurianyou can chat here, but I might not be around

5:40pmLaurianDana is also in Romania and she had issues with access, she was dialing up !!! that's cyberpunk

5:40pmLaurianzombieToast: nope, nobody answered

5:40pmzombieToastoh well

5:41pmzombieToastmight as well get back to work as well then

5:41pmLaurianout of 17 registered people, one just asked to be removed as not having time

5:41pmDoreneBummer

5:41pmLaurianand only 5 submitted the assignment

5:41pmDoreneBecause I am enjoying it

5:41pmDoreneI just finished Do Androids Dream...

5:42pmLaurianI believe its similar with the previous course, a handful just did things

5:42pmDoreneand plan to watch Blade Runner in the next day or so

5:42pmLaurianwhich version? :)

5:42pmDoreneI think the theatrical cut is what is available on Netflix Instant

5:43pmDoreneYes, just checked

5:43pmLauriananyway any version is OK

5:44pmLaurianit is interesting to watch them all in a sequence (I did)

5:44pmDorenebut....?

5:44pmzombieToaststill haven't seen the theatrical version

5:45pmLaurianthe 1992 and the final cut are closer to what the director wanted, the original with the voiceover is retrospectively artificial

5:45pmLaurianand it has a happy end

5:45pmzombieToastharrison ford commenting on the voiceover is pretty funny

5:45pmzombieToastsaying he borked it on purpose so it would be too bad to use & it got cut in anyway haha

5:45pmLaurianzombieToast: it gives you another angle over the movie, I wonder how I would perceive the movie without ever seeing the one with the voiceover

5:46pmzombieToastyeah a lot of people seem to like it

5:46pmDoreneWell I will let you know

5:46pmLaurianso, apparently Blade Runner as atmosphere is what Philip K Dick was dreaming, the storyline is not quite so

5:47pmzombieToastI can imagine that

5:47pmzombieToastthe writing for the screen adaptation is really good though

5:48pmLaurianthat's why the assignment is on the scene, as they match

5:48pmLaurianthe book, Future Noir - The Making of Blade Runner, is a nice read

5:48pmzombieToastI've come across the comment that William Gibson had to leave the cinema

5:48pmDorenereally?

5:49pmDoreneHe didn't like it?

5:49pmzombieToasthe was 1/3 of the way through neuromancer at the & couldn't watch any more than 20 minutes

5:49pmLaurian:) I recall reading that somewhere

5:49pmzombieToastit was too similar to what he had in mind

5:49pmLaurian:)

5:49pmzombieToastdidnt want to be influenced

5:49pmDoreneOh, good for him

5:50pmzombieToasthe thought everyone would think he just ripped off the film haha. lucky for him nobody actually saw it at the time...

5:50pmLaurianso, the book (Future Noir) is a nice insight on how a film is made, on countless screenplays, frictions on the set, designing the future, props and special effects

5:50pmLaurianpostproduciton and Vangelis music thing

5:51pmzombieToastI can imagine that set must have been terrible

5:51pmLaurianand producers' deals

5:51pmDoreneWhy?

5:51pmzombieToastI've worked on a hot dry set during the build, that was bad enough

5:51pmzombieToastthat but wet, hot 7 dark....

5:52pmLaurianridley scott: "making a film is like going to war"

5:52pmzombieToasthaha similar logistics I bet

5:52pmDorenewho is the author of future noir?

5:52pmDorenemy local library catalog search engine SUCKS

5:52pmLaurianand designs by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syd_Mead

5:53pmDoreneGot it

5:53pmLaurianDorene: Paul M. Sammon

5:53pmLaurianif you get the blade runner collectors' dvd set, one version of the workprint is with Paul Sammon commenting each scene

5:54pmLaurianwith gossip, production issues, etc

5:54pmDoreneDamn library

5:54pmDorenethey don't have it

5:54pmLauriananother book is

5:54pmzombieToast$2,89 ;)

5:54pmzombieToasthttp://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=future+noir&x=0&y=0

5:55pmLaurian"Retrofitting Blade Runner - Issues in Ridley Scott's Blade Runner and P.K.Dick Do..." edited by Judith B. Kerman

5:55pmzombieToastabebooks is awesome

5:55pmLaurianwhich is full of lovely essays

5:55pmDorenei will check into that one

5:57pmLaurianthe movie is brilliant, the Vangelis soundtrack is perfect, we are just 9 year away of that Los Angeles 2019

5:57pmDoreneOff topic, I've just started reading Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson

5:57pmLauriannice, I envy your free time :)

5:58pmDorenewhich I hope won't be too distracting from what we're working on

5:58pmDoreneLaurian, I am a reader

5:58pmDoreneI will neglect many things to rea

5:58pmDoreneread

5:58pmLaurianis going mad with 10+ interactive projects

5:58pmDoreneWhat is an interactive project?

5:58pmLaurianweb sites, web applications, mash-ups

5:59pmDoreneYesterday I also created an account in Second Life

5:59pmzombieToastI went to second life once

5:59pmDorenechecking that out...in the spirit of Cyberpunk of course

5:59pmLaurianit is an interesting place

5:59pmzombieToastI teleported to a random place on the map

5:59pmzombieToastand found myself in some kind of medieval niche porn fetish marketplace

6:00pmzombieToastwelcome to the interent

6:00pmLaurianzombieToast: well, people are people :)

6:01pmzombieToastapparently IBM hold all their international meetings there and stuff there now

6:01pmzombieToastI wonder how often they get mob trolled by bouncing penises

6:01pmLaurianzombieToast: did Rouge City in A.I. remembered you of Second Life then?

6:02pmDoreneIt would be fun to have a Second Life meeting room for P2PU

6:02pmLaurianDorene: even if we jump the tutors in, some students will find difficult to navigate through

6:02pmLauriana future cyberpunk course should be there :)

6:03pmzombieToastLaurian: no, the place I ended up was dark ages style, all wood & stone

6:03pmLaurianand full of kipple :)

6:03pmDoreneSure they would but they would figure it out

6:03pmDoreneMany colleges and universities are using it for interactive instruction

6:04pmDoreneLocally, Tacoma Community College is using it in one of their nursing programs

6:04pmLaurianbtw, I was fantasising on creating a course only on Ghost in the Shell, which would involve watching all the movies and the episodes

6:04pmDoreneCount me in!

6:04pmLaurian:)

6:04pmDoreneI just watched the first one last week

6:05pmLaurianDorene: now you see why Matrix was a copy, right?

6:05pmDoreneIn some ways, yes

6:05pmLaurianscary comparision http://www.mig81.com/matrixgits/page1.html

6:05pmLaurian(several pages linked from footer there)

6:06pmLaurianDorene: Ghost in the Shell 2 Innocence, is very different; the first one will set the characters, but the second one is bliss

6:06pmDoreneCool...I am looking forward to it

6:06pmLaurianis beautiful, deep and terrible scary with regard of androids/kids issue

6:07pmzombieToastI read somewhere that the wachowski brothers were showing people gits to sell the look they wanted for the matrix

6:07pmDoreneThe jacking in at the back of the neck

6:08pmLaurianthe exploding watermelons killed me

6:08pmLaurianhttp://www.mig81.com/matrixgits/page6.html

6:09pmLaurianalso comparision on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3tF7TL0Qh4

6:10pmzombieToast"Producer Joel Silver has stated that the Wachowski brothers first described their intentions for The Matrix by showing him that anime and saying, "We wanna do that for real"."

6:10pmzombieToastfrom http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/The_Matrix

6:11pmDoreneWow, crazy

6:11pmLaurianbetter comparision http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG1jAhH6luY&feature=related

6:13pmDoreneI am glad I watched the first one

6:14pmLaurian:)

6:14pmLaurianthe second can be watched independently

6:14pmLaurianyou just won\t have the image of Motoko

6:14pmDoreneI like the class idea, though

6:15pmLaurianI would love to do it, to have people to discuss on various episodes

6:15pmLaurianas the series is also very interesting

6:16pmLaurianand have the chat

6:16pmLaurianin second life, exactly like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2YOIP1im-U

6:17pmDorenecrap

6:17pmDorenethat is blocked in the US

6:17pmLaurianhmmm

6:18pmLauriantry this http://clip.vn/watch/Ghost-in-the-Shell-SAC-Ep-09,vk9 (skip the opening)

6:20pmDorenethat might work...I am going to bookmark it for later...it looks like I can access it

6:21pmLaurianok, I'll leave you now, enjoy Blade Runner

6:21pmDoreneHave a good trip

6:21pmLaurianthanks.

6:22pmLaurianbye

6:22pmzombieToastlater

6:22pmDoreneBye

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