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JoiIto 2010-07-25T23:14:20+0000

hello

JoiIto 2010-07-25T23:44:47+0000

hey everyone

JoiIto 2010-07-25T23:44:57+0000

let me know if anyone wants to talk about their projects on skype

JoiIto 2010-07-25T23:45:02+0000

we don't have anyone queued up

JoiIto 2010-07-25T23:45:13+0000

otherwise I'm going to talk a bit about online communities here with sean bonner

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:48:09+0000

o hai

gueorgui 2010-07-25T23:51:38+0000

good morning

onerick 2010-07-25T23:52:32+0000

hey sean. just browsing metblogs for the first time. good stuff

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:52:51+0000

Thanks!

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:53:04+0000

Some cities are better than others

Andriak 2010-07-25T23:54:42+0000

Hi all. Thunderstorms looming (again), but here for now.

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:56:27+0000

Hi everyone

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:56:32+0000

I'll be watching IRC

Catharina 2010-07-25T23:56:35+0000

hello :-)

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:56:37+0000

and stuff

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:58:05+0000

Welcome everyone

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:58:39+0000

Video working for everyone?

seanbonner 2010-07-25T23:59:34+0000

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

onerick 2010-07-26T00:00:01+0000

video is working, but foggy

gueorgui 2010-07-26T00:00:07+0000

for me it's the timezone (europe, it's 2am)

onerick 2010-07-26T00:00:25+0000

(ah it's a video feed of a projector screen)

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:00:40+0000

Shared early thought on forums about real life classes done with remote classes at same time: diminishes engagement of real life students (based on a high school class my daughter had.)

janak 2010-07-26T00:02:11+0000

good morning everyone

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:08:45+0000

Heh. Early morning local time probably the biggest hurdle.

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:09:37+0000

I know I was bad at early morning classes when I was in college.

Lena 2010-07-26T00:11:31+0000

yup, the report is almost done

Hala 2010-07-26T00:14:04+0000

I too think it was a good learning experience overall. I think this is how people will be communicating in the future.

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:14:05+0000

Hi Quinn

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:14:12+0000

hello

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:15:38+0000

this still feels a little like early days of tv, when people worked fairly hard to stare at what was sometimes just a screen of mostly fuzz, and no one knew how it would work out.

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:15:40+0000

Guest speakers were awesome. Have serious doubts anyone else could bring that kind of international diversity.

gueorgui 2010-07-26T00:16:05+0000

Yeah, I'm with Andriak on this one. Guest speakers is what made this class great.

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:17:10+0000

actually there's somehting intrinsically interesting about this being more of a conversation than a traditional class, that's not to be overlooked

onerick 2010-07-26T00:17:16+0000

For links, perhaps bookmark links on delicious.com as 'p2p2journalism-class1'. Sort of 'show notes'

onerick 2010-07-26T00:17:41+0000

can feed them through the p2pu drupal platform

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:17:42+0000

New learning management tool launched early July: nixty.com. Lovely design, but built so far for top down communication.

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:17:44+0000

I wonder if there is a way to help the transition to the newer use of media/data dispersion?

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:17:50+0000

afaik this is the 2nd iteration of courses on p2pu, and we learned a lot

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:17:55+0000

irc needs streaming video :)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:18:04+0000

can you do that with an eggdrop?

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:18:06+0000

:)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:18:48+0000

is this channel going to be logged with the class materials?

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:19:07+0000

quinn-n: this channel is logged

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:19:12+0000

Don't say things like "shit" because people will know you said it later

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:19:20+0000

hell.

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:19:29+0000

Darn

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:19:41+0000

this log will end up on the p2pu journalism forum

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:20:33+0000

I do wish I'd known about the class sooner than I did, alas.

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:20:34+0000

Food works to make people show up too. :)

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:20:58+0000

Andriak: online we can hand over only browser cookies

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:21:08+0000

or pictures of food.

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:21:12+0000

Darn.

Lena 2010-07-26T00:21:30+0000

ehm, who is the person in the room with Joi? i was a bit late for the course..

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:21:32+0000

laurian: which is like food, except it gives you privacy violations instead of calories.

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:21:37+0000

Can we send food out over IRC?

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:21:59+0000

Andriak: we should make a deal with Pizza Hut or some international chain, and on the IRC during the class we'll give voucher codes

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:22:03+0000

seanbonner: someone page dan kaminsky! maybe he can tunnel it over dns.

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:22:28+0000

@Laurian: Win. Big win.

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:23:12+0000

p2pu + McDonalds, if you are online at McDonalds on a p2pu course you get a meal for free :)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:23:28+0000

wish i could come :)

JoiIto 2010-07-26T00:24:33+0000

Just saw Goldie check in to whole foods - how are you here and at whole foods?

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:25:00+0000

lol I checked in as I was leaving.

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:25:43+0000

Second Life?

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:26:04+0000

i think you need to build in some acknowledgement of this being an asynchronous learning environment

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:26:05+0000

Totally vote that real life physical, local meetups over food/drinks help strengthen community. Lots of talk of coffee shops and journalism and crowdsourcing going together.

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:26:39+0000

I like that idea.

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:26:46+0000

....Online News Association trying more local meetups. Associations that will survive will do that.

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:27:24+0000

or get an airline as sponsor and have an end of course meeting, all the students in one city (dreaming)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:27:24+0000

i think that might only work if it was more massive, and yeah, persistant

onerick 2010-07-26T00:28:17+0000

If you made it a persistent community, perhaps there could be a corresponding media site/platform for students to practice their craft and accumulate samples.

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:28:18+0000

It's the idea of continually growing rather than starting and ending

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:28:20+0000

...er, I need to study some French and study for the GRE next...but I'd love to find a way to stay in touch. (Twitter lists work for that.)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:28:20+0000

it needs to be able to survive waxing and waning, but if it's ok to go fallow on occasion, without a sense that it's failing during waning, it's more likely to institutionalize

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:28:21+0000

Persistent does provide a base community that people would join as they joined a new class.

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:30:08+0000

this is a false dichotomy- this class is an instantiation of hectic global conversation, and i think being persistent acknowledges that, but a class that begins and ends inside of it works well to feed into that conversation

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:32:03+0000

"let's have it both ways"

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:32:04+0000

:)

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:32:07+0000

:D

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:32:11+0000

How do you bring a newcomer to the multi-slice communication style? How did the students who were initially overwhelmed by the email do the transition?

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:32:13+0000

<3 the IRC now for immediate chat, because it's in a bit of a walled garden instead of broadcast to big audience on Twitter. I'd love to find a way to do some specific online journalism teaching in the future...might drag in some photography buddies, but they'd need some real life classes to bring home the work.

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:32:28+0000

the way pre aol septembers infused new blood into the net...

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:33:08+0000

So the persistent community would help bring the newer people in perhaps?

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:33:09+0000

JoiIto: what about Second Life?

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:33:26+0000

i think that's a bit closed too

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:33:27+0000

yeah

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:33:36+0000

The learning curve for the UI is hard, unfortunately.

onerick 2010-07-26T00:34:00+0000

Second Life also requires a minimum amount of hardware that not everyone has.

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:34:07+0000

(JoiIto: I might try Second life for the next cyberpunk class)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:34:12+0000

we could build something that piped together IM and irc

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:34:27+0000

and/or a chat-forumy thing

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:34:44+0000

onerick: agree, but it might be more immersive, and hopefully more engaging

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:35:02+0000

there's libs that do that. and for that matter, probably put it in mutt. you can make the modes invisible to the users though

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:35:07+0000

There are bridges that let you do chat & video across to the web with Second Life.

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:35:29+0000

so: make it a cult, and use the classes as recuiting tools ;)

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:36:06+0000

The physical classroom integration is a challenge. (We do RL/SL meetups for the Boulder Serious SL group - sometimes it is very rough.)

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:36:34+0000

JoiIto: ocasional classes would be good, them are finite things in time, you can commit to a 4 week thing easier than joining an ongoing conversation with not visible outcome

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:36:36+0000

(the SL stuff was more for Laurian)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:36:37+0000

actually, i think having it as a class across different unis would probably help.

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:37:13+0000

Thing is, y'all have competition, including new online master's degrees from universities like the University of North Carolina. But it's hard to compete with @joi and his connections. Still, the online cutting edge folks in U.S. will mostly be drawn to World of Webcraft. Personal connections could draw in the most people.

megomars 2010-07-26T00:37:32+0000

Thanks seanbonner

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:37:36+0000

why compete? why not approacha nd collaborate?

shamirkatsu_ 2010-07-26T00:37:45+0000

That is one of the good things about SL, your avatar gives people an idea of how you want to express yourself, it's like a visual mini bio

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:37:49+0000

That's it, everyone needs to join World of warcraft and have classes in the Barrens ;)

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:38:02+0000

Good idea on collaboration, especially on design. :)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:38:07+0000

way to exclude the alliance! humph

janak 2010-07-26T00:38:07+0000

@joi, would u like to hear from Dore (registered) and Edy-san (not registered) @kmd?

megomars 2010-07-26T00:38:14+0000

hi, what do you think about crowdsourcing and digital journalism

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:38:27+0000

(Actually mostly alliance, but I think barren's chat is the worst.)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:38:39+0000

the video creates events, and it needs events to coalesce around

Gustavo__ 2010-07-26T00:38:51+0000

totally agree on the overarching project

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:39:36+0000

would confuse the hell out of people

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:39:48+0000

confusing is good sometimes

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:39:49+0000

:D

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:39:53+0000

That would be very hard to follow.

shamirkatsu_ 2010-07-26T00:40:07+0000

And it wouldn

shamirkatsu_ 2010-07-26T00:40:08+0000

'

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:40:09+0000

(but could be good)

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:40:16+0000

confused as in can't find it til it's done confused

shamirkatsu_ 2010-07-26T00:40:17+0000

would not always have joi mojo pull

onerick 2010-07-26T00:40:26+0000

perhaps the class just needs a platform where people can work, so that students don't have to worry about creating one. Some j-students in Germany also did a world cup project, but there was a central place for it http://thisissouthafrica.de/

Gustavo__ 2010-07-26T00:41:05+0000

the one platform is a good idea also

megomars 2010-07-26T00:41:15+0000

guys, the reason I am on here is coz of joi's twitter post

megomars 2010-07-26T00:41:30+0000

I'm from south africa

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:41:42+0000

Welcome!

megomars 2010-07-26T00:41:57+0000

thanks

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:42:21+0000

so yes or no, who is into helping on the persistant overeaching project?

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:42:26+0000

@megomars Hi. Crowdsourcing's a big question: Definitely worth exploring, especially with data dumps. Imagine how many people are examining the Wikileaks data dump right now about the U.S. and Afghann war.

onerick 2010-07-26T00:43:33+0000

From a Japan point of view, crowdsourcing can be great for translation too

megomars 2010-07-26T00:43:44+0000

yeah like txteagle

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:44:34+0000

you know what this conversation needs? an idea of what the goal is

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:44:48+0000

what are we trying to acomplish, joi, sean?

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:45:03+0000

Good question.

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:45:07+0000

It's just an experiment to see what happens and where it leads

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:45:20+0000

What can come out of this?

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:45:33+0000

Use a persistent tag for everything, wherever it is...Flickr etc....It could also serve a little like a "badge."

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:46:02+0000

ok, so i think that suggests that we try all of this, but one thing at time, and stay with it when it doesn't look like it's working.

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T00:46:08+0000

Is there a way to have the IRC match the hashtag?

Gilmar 2010-07-26T00:46:37+0000

i agree with Andriak, when the people really discovered the power of a tool like wiki leaks, we had a big noise, good noise for sure

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:47:17+0000

it doesn't have to be the perfect tag, just picking one, whichever

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:47:23+0000

There's a Duke U. person doing a fall seminar on elearning etc....will try to dig up her name and share. She was interested in P2PU's World of Webcraft, but she's asking the higher level questions that this course is.

Gilmar 2010-07-26T00:47:52+0000

@andriak @megomars about the crowdsourcing : i agree with Andriak, when the people really discovered the power of a tool like wiki leaks, we had a big noise, good noise for sure

onerick 2010-07-26T00:48:01+0000

tagged media feeds (flickr, youtube) can be aggregated on a central website. Would be nice.

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:48:04+0000

I guess nobody want to mess with Google Wave :)

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:48:42+0000

time

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:49:23+0000

nope, this was a bot test

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:49:34+0000

time

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:49:40+0000

heh

megomars 2010-07-26T00:50:33+0000

time

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:51:06+0000

laurian: google wha...? :)

megomars 2010-07-26T00:52:07+0000

I think this Ustream program rocks

Gustavo__ 2010-07-26T00:52:24+0000

Ustream really rocks!

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:52:44+0000

this does eventually need a more unified ui. but it's really interesting to push the bounds of what we're tying to do with online collaboration, it suggests needs you wouldn't sit down and dream up without banging your head into the problems we've encountered directly

megomars 2010-07-26T00:53:08+0000

yeah you can embed google wave in mediawiki now, really works nicely with wikis

JoiIto 2010-07-26T00:53:16+0000

interesting

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:53:34+0000

quinn-n: I was hoping for 3rd parties to come up with better Wave interfaces, the default Google one looks like 4chan

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:53:40+0000

Quinn, that's exactly it, we're trying to be the ground zero for all these mistakes, we'll volunteer to make them so that everyone can learn and see what works and what doesn't.

Gustavo__ 2010-07-26T00:54:00+0000

wow, embed google wave in media wiki! I will try it after class

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:54:28+0000

seanbonner: that makes me think we should be talking to someone like google about how they could build something that would be able to do this?

Laurian 2010-07-26T00:55:31+0000

quinn-n: also the automatic translate bot in Google Wave can be very handy for classes

onerick 2010-07-26T00:55:51+0000

Re tools, Tools for News: http://toolkit.snd.org/ *re-post

Gustavo__ 2010-07-26T00:56:33+0000

The bonding was something I didn't felt.

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:56:42+0000

sorry, party foul

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:57:17+0000

Mission: To connect experienced journalists, wherever they might be in their diaspora, to the new practitioners of journalism, wherever they might be, to share knowledge, skills and techniques.

Hala 2010-07-26T00:57:34+0000

Can I talk about my project before the class is over?

Andriak 2010-07-26T00:57:34+0000

Uh, that's a proposal.

seanbonner 2010-07-26T00:58:47+0000

quinn-n to answer your last question, yes, i think google and many others should fund us to try and solve it and provide a roadmap of what tools need to be built

quinn-n 2010-07-26T00:59:00+0000

well, who wants to approach them?

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:00:16+0000

well, i think there's a value in having someone iterating along with us from a developer point of view

janak 2010-07-26T01:00:34+0000

@joi, when we have a chance, Hala is ready w/her presentation

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:00:35+0000

ok

megomars 2010-07-26T01:01:26+0000

Marhaba Hala

JoiIto 2010-07-26T01:01:53+0000

http://tokyoarab.blogspot.com/

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:03:27+0000

I love your blog Hala!

megomars 2010-07-26T01:04:01+0000

yeah adding it to my RSS feeds

seanbonner 2010-07-26T01:04:17+0000

Blame IE

Catharina 2010-07-26T01:05:01+0000

Hala, this is great!

Andriak 2010-07-26T01:05:10+0000

Very good advice on telling stories. Great presentation, Hala.

seanbonner 2010-07-26T01:06:31+0000

personal connections are very important on blogs

onerick 2010-07-26T01:07:38+0000

Nice work

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:07:45+0000

Very cool

Laurian 2010-07-26T01:07:53+0000

great

megomars 2010-07-26T01:07:58+0000

Hala do u have a twitter account?

Lena 2010-07-26T01:08:11+0000

this was a really nice presentation

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:08:41+0000

i had to miss a few minutes, so i apologize if this was answered, but why english?

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:09:00+0000

agree with Joi!

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:09:29+0000

I love that it's about your personal experience

onerick 2010-07-26T01:09:35+0000

http://twitter.com/halaeldemellawy

onerick 2010-07-26T01:09:50+0000

(hope it's ok to share that)

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:09:54+0000

through your lens we get a better sense of a subculture

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:10:05+0000

yeah, personal stories are much more compelling, and contextualize the topic much better than other approches.

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:10:21+0000

inside looking out

megomars 2010-07-26T01:10:39+0000

following @halaeldemellawy

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:10:42+0000

personal blogs generally get much less hateful comments than group blogs

janak 2010-07-26T01:12:09+0000

Dore (aka Dorito) will be presenting from Tokyo in a few

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:12:17+0000

people still remember that there's a human behind a personal blog.

Hala 2010-07-26T01:12:29+0000

Thanks everyone. I appreciate it!!

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:12:30+0000

when people pee in my living room I ban them.

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:12:39+0000

that's how you know someone on the internet is actually a dog

Lena 2010-07-26T01:12:39+0000

my and nadhir's project is not completely finished yet and not put on blog either, but here is the document http://www.scribd.com/doc/34844223/Covering-the-course-an-online-learnin...

Gilmar 2010-07-26T01:12:49+0000

@tokyomango hi tokyomango "personal blogs generally get much less hateful comments than group blogs" i'm curious why?

seanbonner 2010-07-26T01:12:50+0000

That rug really tied the room together

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:13:02+0000

seanbonner: heheheh

Andriak 2010-07-26T01:13:12+0000

Oooo, awesome idea. A "posse" to help with blog haters.

megomars 2010-07-26T01:13:31+0000

hi guys since we are sharing blogs here is mine http://megomars.vox.com/ (have some stuff about crowdsourcing, new media and my time in Turkey and Qatar)

seanbonner 2010-07-26T01:13:36+0000

yes, it's good to have backup

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:13:41+0000

@gilmar: Partly, I think it's because a personal blog is not a known forum for heated discussions

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:14:01+0000

commenters want to be noticed, too.

janak 2010-07-26T01:14:06+0000

@joi: dore is going to present now

Hala 2010-07-26T01:14:27+0000

Yes, Joi. Thanks

GoldieKatsu 2010-07-26T01:14:45+0000

I like the blog a lot Hala.

Andriak 2010-07-26T01:16:08+0000

Found Duke University professor: "Knowledge networks." Cathy Davidson: http://bit.ly/bpD441

Lena 2010-07-26T01:16:48+0000

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34844223/Covering-the-course-an-online-learnin... <-- the project of me and Nadhir

Andriak 2010-07-26T01:17:34+0000

....Davidson is co founder of HASTAC and has knowledge of McCormick Foundation funds and projects.

Gilmar 2010-07-26T01:19:14+0000

oh thanks tokyomango, really exists a kindness from the visitors with the owners, but it is most common between the amateurs. what you think ?

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:20:25+0000

where is the mailing list?

Catharina 2010-07-26T01:20:33+0000

Joi, we have one moreproject

onerick 2010-07-26T01:21:03+0000

the robot people?!

onerick 2010-07-26T01:21:16+0000

awesome

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:21:21+0000

i love robot people

JoiIto 2010-07-26T01:21:23+0000

Quinn: http://groups.google.com/group/p2pu-digital-journalism

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:21:36+0000

they're like real people but without the annoying human emotions

Gilmar 2010-07-26T01:21:44+0000

oh i had problems with th streaming. a bad time .I Missed your speak Dore,

megomars 2010-07-26T01:22:32+0000

hey thanks guys, really had fun watching

Andriak 2010-07-26T01:22:56+0000

Oooh. Link for feng shui blog? Very big in the U.S. actually these days.

janak 2010-07-26T01:23:11+0000

my dad would put my bed next to the window so it was easier for him to defenestrate me

Gilmar 2010-07-26T01:23:32+0000

@Gustavo_ But I seen.

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:23:34+0000

if you read Japanese, there is a great blog about spirituality and popular culture

JoiIto 2010-07-26T01:23:38+0000

Does someone have the URL for their blog?

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:23:40+0000

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tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:23:45+0000

sooo good

JoiIto 2010-07-26T01:24:03+0000

http://superstitionworldwide.wordpress.com/

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:24:08+0000

run by the same guys that do gizmodo/lifehacker japan

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:24:35+0000

oh wow, neato!

haller 2010-07-26T01:25:20+0000

hmm guess i missed all the action /wave

janak 2010-07-26T01:25:34+0000

@joi: shall we just wrap-up the class after these ladies are finished w/their pres.?

Andriak 2010-07-26T01:25:46+0000

Heck yeah, daughter's a Type B blood type....:)

onerick 2010-07-26T01:25:57+0000

somewhat related, Japanese blood type infographic http://www.geekinheels.com/storage/history_of_japanese_blood_typing.jpg

seanbonner 2010-07-26T01:26:08+0000

i forget what blood type I am.

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:26:12+0000

ladies, this blog is a great idea and fun!

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:26:13+0000

yeah, i'm vain, rude, and a universal acceptor of blood...

JoiIto 2010-07-26T01:26:18+0000

you fail @seanbonner

JoiIto 2010-07-26T01:26:20+0000

but you must be O

seanbonner 2010-07-26T01:26:28+0000

O as in OSSM

Laurian 2010-07-26T01:26:46+0000

Andriak: the blood thing is crazy, in AB0 system you split people in 4 types

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:27:16+0000

it's an interesting line to walk talking about superstitions while being respectful, since they are a bit mutually exclusive

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:27:25+0000

across cultures that is

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:27:32+0000

wonderful blog, please keep it going!

Andriak 2010-07-26T01:27:34+0000

@Laurian Yeah, the scientific question is whether one lives up to expectations set by the superstitions.

Andriak 2010-07-26T01:27:46+0000

Thanks you all very much!

Laurian 2010-07-26T01:27:51+0000

Andriak: oddly Hippocrates split the temperaments into 4 too

janak 2010-07-26T01:27:52+0000

@sean: pls. punch palin

tokyomango 2010-07-26T01:27:54+0000

nomikai!

Gustavo__ 2010-07-26T01:27:57+0000

Thanks a lot Joi Ito!!!

Laurian 2010-07-26T01:28:09+0000

time

JoiIto 2010-07-26T01:28:18+0000

thank you all

gueorgui 2010-07-26T01:28:24+0000

Thanks Joi.

quinn-n 2010-07-26T01:28:25+0000

thanks joi for inviting me along